:cool:

I do not see a problem either.

In any company:

- you hire people you can trust that will uphold company values.
- you hire people you can work with
- you hire people you can communicate with
- you hire people that can fill a need in the companies missions and goals.
- you hire people that can be trained
- you hire people that replace the leter "I" with the word "TEAM"

100’s of other reasons.

I got to go back to code ... All this talk and nothing is getting done.

That is exactly what I meant, with the exception that I think that in a community of coders/designers, there should be some input allowed from the public as to whether a certain individual should be elected or not. Of course, the final decision is the staff's, but often staff may not know about others who may be better qualified (example: Zachery, in the beginning of this thread). Input by members would create a better, fuller picture.

If I was running a coding community, I would certainly allow members to vote for new staff members when these new staff members were actually required. That would allow me to know about people whom I might have not known about previously. Of course, I wouldn't just take in people who I know nothing about. I'd do some research. Or ask for more information to be provided. That's would not be a problem as long as they would be willing to cooperate.

What makes it a little different here is that it is the members, not the company, who are providing the product and support.
Without contributing coders this site would be history.

The ideal situation would be for everyone to show that they can work together on solving issues, whatever they be.

Jelsoft pays the bills.

Company is not a big word to hang on. In any organization or “community” there are leaders who take responsibility and make the decisions. Good, bad, or whatever. It is always a growing experience. I am glad to be part of it and will miss it when it is gone.

Yes, the ideal situation would be for everyone to show that they can work together on solving issues, whatever they be

That's not the point. The point is that the builders and the architect are not the same people. The importance was not being argued.

According to Dean it was. And I stand by my statement, anyway. ;)

Wow...nine pages of this already in 4 1/2 hours. I'm sorry, but all this boils down to is there are some here bound and determined to force their opinions and ego's on everyone else who uses/visits this site. They don't have the influence they want/feel owed or whatever. This stuff is really getting old...do you folks not have real lives?

I used to once, a very, very long time ago. :(

Yep, there is a reason why some buttons have only enough room for one finger to push ;)

Suggestions, comments, polls, surveys and feedback are invaluable to anyone landed with the responsibility to make final decisions.

But the last thing any decision maker needs to deal with is bickering and hostilities derived from strongly opposing opinions, or repetitive beating of the dead horse. It's too draining.

Its friday and we are here posting, whatcha think :)

Damn! That pretty well sums it up for all of us. :(

It's Friday?

It's raining here, and the rain happens to be acidic.

Which, in English, means?

It is no wonder that your level of knowledge of English does not allow you to comprehend the meaning of the sentence, but perhaps you can solve the problem by hiring an interpreter ;)

No es de extra?ar que su nivel del conocimiento de ingl?s no le permite reconocer la identidad ni el significado de esa oraci?n, pero quiz?s usted puede resolver el problema empleando a un int?rprete ;)

C'est pas ?tonnant que votre niveau de connaissance d'anglais ne permet pas vous de reconna?tre l'identit? ni le sens de cette phrase, mais peut-?tre vous pouvez r?soudre le probl?me en engagant un interpr?te+;)

Es ist kein Wunder, das Ihre H?he der Kenntnis von Englisch nicht erlaubt, dass Ihnen die Identit?t noch die Bedeutung von dass Satz erkennen, aber vielleicht Sie k?nnen das Problem durch Einstellen eines Dolmetschers l?sen ;)

? nessuno prodigio che il suo livello di conoscenza di inglesi non consentono lei riconoscere l'identit? n? il significato di quella frase, ma forse lei pu? risolvere il problema assumendo un interprete ;)

Это не удивительно, что ваш уровень английского не позволяет вам понять смысл этого предложения, но вероятно вы можете решить проблему с помощью переводчка ;)

Don't go in the rain .... :rolleyes: :p

Whew! Thanks! I was just on my way to the library to pick up a bunch of translation books. You saved me a trip. :cross-eyed:

I do not, and have never seen any logic in having the community vote for staff members. Yes I've tried it, seen it done on multiple client forums, and watched it spawn a flame war multiple times.

This thread has already shown that people will criticize staff members no matter who they are, do you honestly think that will not carry over to a public vote on 'who should be staff?'. What makes the masses qualified to pick a staff member in the first place? Yes I know you are all admins with your own forum, and what I said might get you a little hot because I'm sure you manage your own staff. You have your own plans and ways of doing things, and you pick staff members to see these plans to their end. You need to understand that I go through the same thing.

A good staff member is much more than someone that has the ability to code, or design. They have to be a good fit with the current staff, they have to be willing to compromise for the good of the team, they have to be willing to work with the team leader and understand that sometimes they may not agree with their leader, they have to show customers the same respect they expect to be treated with, often times they have to enforce things they do not agree with, and above all else they must have a love for the community and what it stands for. These are some of the basic things I look for when I go hunting for staff members, and while I appreciate someone throwing me a name every now and again at the end of the day I have to make sure that person is suitable to be on the staff.

I am sorry some of you don't agree with the choice of staff, but we can't make everyone happy and only pick people that the entire community adores (in fact I'm doubtful I can find someone for staff that at least one person wouldn't have a problem with). So far they have all done a great job even without all the tools they need, and I hope they will continue doing a good job in the future. They were all picked based on what they have done in the community in the past. While some members of the coder/design team may not be producing 'killer apps' they have all shown at least some understanding of working with the software. Some of them will be coding additions for .org, some of them will be moderating the forums and answering technical questions and depending on the person they may do a little of both.

Just keep doing what you think is best and the others will fall into line, Brad; cheers.

Good post Brad and I think things are being handled just fine for what it's worth ;)

I'm not really gonna get involved in this, but I have to ask.... everyone here is an vbulletin owner - unless they're just listed on someone else's licence - and I dunno about you, but I wouldn't have members dictating to me who should staff a forum they don't own *shrug*

flame away :p

I wouldn't have members dictate who is choosen for staff either. More often than not, the person that's been choosen for a staff position is the correct decison (unless you choose me). So all in all, it's been a trying day and it's getting rather hot so thumbs up.

Though I would train the staff up on forum structuring.

Yes, but it's knowing when and how to use them that makes the difference.

WHAT?

This isn't true (referring to always). Many web-designers can and do code.

What solution?? The teams leaders are the team leaders. The teams have been chosen. The staff is what it is. Y'all aren't going to change that by publicly questioning why who was put on which team, by telling certain ones that either their coding, or design skills aren't "good enough" for them to be on staff.

Geezus people... why don't y'all stop posting these ridiculously inane threads, and let these people DO what they were put on staff do DO, rather than wasting their time making them defend themselves. I thought y'all wanted the "feel" of .org to get better. THIS ain't doing it.

Let them deny it all they want to... I think that's exactly what this is about

If only I was younger and you were desperate. ;)

I wondered why you had all gone quiet.

[high]* peterska2 tells Boofo off for harrassing the young ladies.[/high]

I didn't read this whole thread.. the other threads wore me out, but instead of having members choose the staff I think you should make sure you have input from the current staff. You should also make sure that your staff are people who will tell it like it is (to you, not to us members, we like the sugar coating) and that they aren't just 'yes men'.

exactly!

LOL... I'm 46... not quite desperate (yet), but you're too far away..waaaaaaaaaa ;)
[high]* Ohiosweetheart tells peterska2 to let Boofo flirt with me all he wants to! lol[/high]

[high]* peterska2 is jealous coz you are the right side of the ocean[/high]

Boofo's mine I tell you, he's mine

Ya the best elections are when everyone is in agreement ;)

... like with shotgun weddings ;)

Interesting thread, i'll add my two cents and a tad late at that.

The administrators reserve the right to construct a team as they seem fit, however that said, given the layout of the team, your primary skill should be in that field anything else is senseless. however there's an exception when it comes to designing, given the context of vBulletin design there is no such thing as design without construction, so there will always be a key member that will oversee the procedure going from design to construction completion.

however i must say, some of the posts i've read saying that (i'm not only gonna paraphrase, i'll bastardise) we have other duties other than that or our key function is ludicrous. you're chosen as part of the coding team to primarily code, your other functions come secondary, especially those of which require liason with the customer. which in fact is actually the primary function of the customer support team. to say that FACTORX doesn't affect the ability to moderate and forums you're assigned to show minimal presence is in my opinion, ludicrous and defeats the points of the team seperation.

I wish all the new staff members well, and hope they'll do a fantastic job, however Dean said something i agree with when he said he doesn't think everyone's in the right team. I couldn't agree with that more.

I've been around the site for a long time and would like to see it prosper.

Oh and spam :(

EasyTarget,

All your staff are belong to us.

:D

[high]* Zachariah goes back to code[/high]

:ermm: split thread

Just trying to lighten up the atmosphere here, sir. ;)

But you are right, those other posters need to stop the damn spamming! :cross-eyed:

[high]* Boofo is sorry[/high]

um, where did my posts from last night disappear to?

I have them locked away in my jammies drawer. :)

:( there was a link and a zip file on there that I needed. What was the purpose of deleting them Boofo? You stated above that you're trying to lighten the mood of this thread. I think our posts accomplished that.

[high]* Ohiosweetheart walks away wondering[/high]

It was split from the thread and can be found here

Sorry, wrong number in that one. I have no idea about any posts being deleted OR moved.