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Perhaps, however Synthetically created drugs can be just as dangerous to fool around with as naturally occuring drugs, and the fact that they are synthetic and have to be made from naturally occuring substances does not increase or lessen that...

Chris

I think Chris is talking to you, shortbus1662. :D

*Sits aside for a moment...*

Indeed I was ;)

Like you earlier, I didn't see your reply when I was typing mine :p

Chris

Heh. I vote to request the hack that update posts while user is posting to be installed here. :classic:

It would be useful - Request it in the Site Feedback forum and that way we can get an overview of who supports, whos against and what-have-you :)

Chris

Someone should code an addon for vB like the DopeWars game, if anyone has heard about it.

You run a drugs cartel, and you can do things like sell it on the streets, mug rivals, etc.

And when you get stoned, your post count goes up in two everytime you post!

Or something... has anyone heard of this game?

No however it does sound like it could be interesting - Go code it :p

I'm a lazy stressed student else I would ;)

Chris

Fine! You know what? Maybe I will!

Fine!

Oh... shit. Look what I have done now.

If you made a mess on the carpet your cleaning it up ;)

Chris

While I haven't played it, I know DopeWars. For more information regarding the game go here.

Or treadon.us :)

NON-MOD NOTE: No advertising! That means you Kris!

Who's with me on this? Anyone want to help?

And on topic: I removed Overgrow from my AdminCP homepage. I don't advocate the use of drugs in any way, I haven't taken Paracetamol for a very long time, caffeine is seeming a little OTT for me. Illegal stuff is a big deal.

No drug use, eh? So much for taking things in moderation. LOL.

On a serious note: Drugs are necessary to sustain life whether it be longivity or quality.

Bruce Lee never used artificial substances in his life. Ever. My Karate teachings are to know that if your body wants to tell you it's in pain, do not mask it. Strengthen yourself so that that pain gets weaker each time you hurt there.

So one day, he had a headache. He took a painkiller, and died. My sources are questionable, but I believe it to be true.

NO, you aren't. Look up the word semantics and syntax.

And by arguing the type of freaking argument you are trying to lose....you are AGAIN, dealing in semantics.

You're wrong, so just admit it.

@Asi9ine: My definition of drugs is anything medicinal, whether scientific or alternative. Herbal tea is considered a form of medicine in many societies. I'm not certain either but I believe Bruce Lee experimented with his diet. :)

@shortbus1662: Apples and oranges is an argument of semantics; aples and oanges is an argument of syntax. With my previous statements I've stated facts. How you interpret them is not my problem. You're dealing with the issue of semantics. My interpretation of the facts are true. I'm just breaking down the pattern of your post which is a matter of syntax. :)

Now, just before we go any further, saying "just admit it" won't get you far in any argument. Also, one of my areas of study is structure of chemicals, environment and the manipulation of. My understanding of it is above average. :classic:

Well I would say I'm somewhat familiar with pharmacology and medicine. I quite often spend a good part of a regular day discussing it. My understanding of it is above average.

You can call something created in a laboratory "natural" all you want. It doesn't make you right.

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@shortbus1662: Apples and oranges is an argument of semantics; aples and oanges is an argument of syntax.

EXACTLY!

Attempting to build yourself up by explaining your area of study won't get you any further than I will by saying, "just admit it".

It just makes you sound arrogant.

I'm not going to continue this debate with you because you'll dance around things for eternity and there is no way you will EVER believe for a second that you could possibly be wrong.

I can tell that by "breaking down the pattern of your posts".

If you wanna say that drugs created in a lab are natural, fine. You can say that all you want. You'll be wrong.

I enjoyed the "discussion".

BTW Chris, I totally agree with you...hence the part I wrote regarding methamphetamines and the dangers of...so I'm not quite sure what you're attempting to say with your comments.

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"You can call something created in a laboratory "natural" all you want. It doesn't make you right."

And

"If you wanna say that drugs created in a lab are natural, fine. You can say that all you want. You'll be wrong."

Where in my posts did I state that the synthetic process is natural? I basically stated that all things processed come from a natural source. These are two different arguments.

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Originally Posted by shortbus1662

Attempting to build yourself up by explaining your area of study won't get you any further than I will by saying, "just admit it".

It just makes you sound arrogant.

This is a flawed argument. The arrogance come from the statement "just admit it". Any logical thinker would find this true.

Stating an area of study is a submission of fact. There is no arrogance here. I would not have spoken in (factual) tone for this subject matter if I didn't have my degrees to back me up.

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Wednesday, May 3, 2006
Alan Young
National Post
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...0-26edc0827fa1

Stephen Harper has decided to turn marijuana law reform into a mere pipe-dream for 3 million pot-smoking Canadians. This is a tragic mistake: Only in the world of science fiction can a plant become public enemy number one. But the oracle has now spoken, and Canadians will probably have to endure another decade of a misguided drug strategy that converts cannabis consumers into common criminals.

Fortunately, however, Harper's regressive approach to cannabis prohibition should have no impact on the increasing number of Canadians who rely upon marijuana for medical purposes. In 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal declared that seriously ill Canadians have a constitutional right to choose marijuana as medicine. To discharge this constitutional obligation, Health Canada has been compelled to manage and maintain a program that exempts legitimate medical use from the criminal law.

Contrary to the views of ill-informed detractors, medical marijuana use is not simply a reflection of the obvious fact that intoxicating substances can make sick people feel temporarily better. The cannabinoids present in marijuana plants not only lead to giggles and a deep appreciation of Pink Floyd; these unique chemical compounds can control and curb nausea, neuropathic pain, spasticity and inflammation. As an appetite stimulant, marijuana can combat the ravages of the wasting syndrome that plagues many patients undergoing chemotherapy and HIV/AIDS antiretroviral treatment.

To date, the medical applications of cannabis have related to symptom control and not curative properties. But last year there was much excitement when Spanish and Israeli scientists both discovered that a synthetic cannabinoid can actually shrink cancerous tumours.

The problem with marijuana as medicine is the paucity of clinical research. We know pot works and we know it has a high margin of safety, but we don't really know how it works. In the past century, governments funded endless research in the attempt to prove that marijuana is sufficiently harmful to warrant criminal intervention, but these same governments turned a blind eye to any research into medical benefits. Thousands of years of medical use of marijuana was disregarded, or even hidden, in the futile effort to convince people that marijuana was a soul-destroying narcotic.

In the process of re-writing history, governments exposed millions of patients to needless suffering.

Governments simply assumed that Big Pharma would eventually develop synthetic products that would have greater therapeutic efficacy than marijuana. But with the recall of highly-touted painkillers such as Vioxx and Celebrex, one can now see it is a mistake to rely upon laboratory creations and ignore the benefits of a naturally occurring plant that has been used for medicine since 3000 B.C.

We need to understand marijuana's mechanism of action in order to develop medical products that are effective and safe. Many patients will not tolerate smoking joints as a medical treatment. New delivery systems must be developed.

For this reason, I became involved in founding Canada's first publicly traded company dedicated to research and development with marijuana -- Cannasat Therapeutics. Despite my general suspicion of big business, I even became a shareholder.

My interest in corporate pot has little to do with the widely-shared belief that cannabinoid medicines are destined to become the lucrative, blockbuster drugs of the 21st century. Rather, I know it will take the resources of big business to unravel the mysteries of marijuana's valuable medical applications in the same way that many of our hospitals needed to be built on a foundation of corporate donations.

Canada is the ideal jurisdiction for advancing cannabinoid research, as we are the only country in the world where patients have a constitutional right to use marijuana as medicine, and where the government has a constitutional obligation to produce this medicine or to facilitate reasonable access through other channels.

Some of the grassroots constituency of pot smokers, whose interests I have represented over the years, have accused me of being a sell-out for introducing the business community to a plant adored and worshipped by the counterculture. Of course, I still remain committed to liberating the plant from the clutches of criminal law control -- but that is an entirely different issue from the alleviation of pain and suffering. As Moses Znaimer, Chairman of Cannasat Therapeutics, recently noted: "This is not about fun -- it is about function."

It takes little creativity and initiative to have fun with pot, but it will take years of clinical testing and millions of dollars to develop cannabinoid products that help seriously ill medical patients. It's not hard to act like Cheech and Chong, but it takes lots of effort to become the next Banting and Best.

Finally, the world has woken up to the therapeutic potential of cannabis. Research conducted by Cannasat, other pharmaceutical companies and academic institutions will transform the nature of our pharmacopoeia. Move over Gravol, and make way for ganja.

Alan Young teaches law at Osgoode Hall Law School and criminology at the University of Toronto. His work contributed to the establishment of Canada's first medical marijuana program.

Btw Bruce Lee was a known hashish eater, this is well documented.

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Btw Bruce Lee was a known hashish eater, this is well documented.

And look where he is now. ;)

marijuana is harmful for your body

-Its only harmful to your lungs and you can get around this by using a vaporizer. Do a little research!

marijuana impairs your driving

-no it doesent but I agree that it's best to drive when you are 100% sober. Do a little research!

marijuana leads to harder drugs

-This is the propaganda artist favorite! Where is the logic here? You think that someone who likes getting high is going to need something stronger? Why would you automatically assume this? Yes some people want to get so messed up that they want to forget their lives but these people have mental problems and thats the cause of their addiction.

If you are an enemy of free speech then you are an enemy of freedom. If you don't know nothing about the plant you should not be commentating on it. If you do something and it doesent harm other people it is not wrong or evil.

THC and Nicotine are always bad, not only for your lungs...

Maybe does marijuana impairs your driving, but for a lot of other people it does.

The last point i can agree, but it is also a fact (in holland then) then a lot of people who use marjiuana have experimented with other drugs...

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marijuana is harmful for your body

-Its only harmful to your lungs and you can get around this by using a vaporizer. Do a little research!

I would not go so far to say it's not harmful to your body. We do not know everything about the drug, or our bodies for that matter. Who knows what sort of things it really does to our minds in the long run. There is a big lack of study in the area.

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marijuana impairs your driving

-no it doesent but I agree that it's best to drive when you are 100% sober. Do a little research!

It does impair your driving, don't kid yourself. Although it isn't as bad as driving around drunk. I've drove drunk, stoned, and on other things (only god knows how I managed not getting a DUI in my time). As someone that has done these things I can tell you I was not 100% when I was behind the wheel, on pot, whiskey, using a cell phone or otherwise.

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marijuana leads to harder drugs

-This is the propaganda artist favorite! Where is the logic here? You think that someone who likes getting high is going to need something stronger? Why would you automatically assume this? Yes some people want to get so messed up that they want to forget their lives but these people have mental problems and that's the cause of their addiction.

This is a spin job, with some truth in it. Allow me to explain:

Smoking pot is not going to turn you into a rock head or seal your fate as an heroin addict. However given the fact that pot is not legal in most places you're are more or less forced to buy it via the black market. Selling pot is not a high profit business by any means, so most people that do sell it also deal in other drugs.

This is why they say it leads to other drugs. Once you're in that environment (buying via the black market) you'll likely be told about other illegal drugs by your smoking buddies and/or dealers. Buying pot is going to put you in a position where you'll see and be able to buy other drugs. Of course it's a personal choice to try other drugs, a choice many people make everyday.

My point? Do whatever you want, but don't belive you're above the law and that it's not harmful.

This is still a family rated website. And minors might be reading here.

Now that this is turning into a drugs discussion thread, i think it is time to place the lock.

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