Hi Joe,

The main problem with vBulletin and its customers from what I have seen is they are "hacked" because of one reason, customers do not update their forums. There is too many people still running on vBulletin versions well below 4.1.x, and wonder why their forums become hacked too easily, or through badly coded modifications. People should get their priorities in order, update vBulletin to the latest version, 4.2.2 is another matter.

There are some people who don't upgrade, I agree- I am not sure it's the main issue though. Many people do at least patch even if they don't upgrade which is better than nothing. The biggest reason for so many hacked forums these last few months were people who didn't get or didn't read their emails about needing to delete their /install/ directories. We still get tickets most days from people who don't know they were supposed to delete the /install/ directory because they changed their email address a year or two back and never notified us or if they did notify us, never responded back to confirm the change.

It's just unfortunate all around.

This whole thing is about people joining the Bandwagon. I personal like VB, and comparing it to Xenforo, Xenforo wasn't appealing to me other than liking their SEO aspect, but it will take few years to reach the level of vb 4.x functions, time will tell i guess.

I also don't like the redactor editor they are using. Xenforo is good for those looking for easy, simple software to use. But if i am looking for feature rich forum type, I'd go with VB or IBP but i personally don't like IPB, i like their gallery though!

It has already reached and surpassed the level of vb 4 functions, and bug free :)

The redactor editor I agree took some time to get used to but does the job nicely.

Xenforo is indeed good for those look for an easy software to use and the same software runs again bug free on very large boards as well.

Moved our forum to XF in 2011 and haven't had any regrets not even for a single second.

But it hurts to see what happened to vB.

Oh really... can you make custom BB codes yet? No?

Can you upload smileys directly from the Admin CP yet? No?

Does it have Blogs or Articles yet? No?

Does it have Multi-quote yet? Kind of? You mean i have to scroll all the way back up again each time I hit reply? So No?

Does it have a way to leave comments when you "Like" something? No?

Does it have 1800 FREE modifications? No? Does it have ANY free modifications anymore? That's a serious question, I haven't looked in a while.

Does everyone need all the features above? Of course not- but there is no way you can say it has surpassed vBulletin in functionality... In stability, yes, perhaps- but simpler software is easier to keep bug free.

Truth is XF hasn't even hit VB 3.x level of features yet, let alone VB 4.x.

It may well surpass VB4 one day, but it hasn't happened yet. I don't hate XenForo mind you, but reality is reality. The only forum software I truly despise is IPB.

VB has everything, but the fact - vB users are still moving to XF.

VB is the vast majority of the forum market, it has been and still is- so of course it has the most people to lose, and it is natural more people will move from VB to XF because XF doesn't have that many people to lose- that said, hardly a week goes by I don't see someone asking for an XF to VB importer for Impex- someone even released an unofficial one here.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=283111

300+ downloads... not too shabby.

only 300+ downloads, but >200 are big forums which switched to XF :-)

That is the kind of bandwagons i am talking about (: It's so bad when people believe that XF is better than VB just for the sake of supporting the previous vb developers who left and what happen during the lawsuit. No body likes litigation anyways.

Mike and Kier are nice developers but it is not going to make me go blind eyes and say XF is better than VB for the sake of supporting Xenforo. Vb has many years of history. The fact that I don't like how IB handles VB will not make me move away from VB. Rather IB needs to change if they want to continue with a good business practice. They're ignorant actually.

Xenforo admin cp is missing so much moderation tools, when it comes to user, user groups, settings, bbcode, there is a whole list of things that is missing.

May be if i like to support something new with new idea, http://meta.discourse.org/ discourse would be something that has potential future for creating a forum base with a new approach.

Just because you don't get what people like about xF, it does not mean people are "joining a bandwagon" or blindly following some devs.

Most funny of all is your statement that you won't move away from vB, no matter how ignorant IB behaves, because vB has had a great history. If you're still hoping for a change in business pracitce - well, good luck with that. We've been waiting for five years for that to happen. Maybe you'll think different after another five years.