rofl

Yeah but not of the quality of Shelley_c's!

and that is really funny lol but true no more cheese.:chinese:

Mmmmm cheese :D

Chris

Send me a memo if there is an answer.

[high]* Kihon Kata is very interested in agreements![/high]

There are those who left, and those who decided to never participate in the first place. Things that I found off-putting:

1. The "staff" seemed less than professional. That's because they were/are: this isn't a professionally run forum. It's run by unpaid volunteers. While there are pros to this, there are also cons:

• No/little accountability
• personal agendas
• personal attacks/arguments with members

I don't see that this is changed. Rather than Jelsoft hiring professional moderators to address the problem, the site has yet another iteration of "monkeys running the zoo".

2. A "l33t coder" mentality. A system where the titles are based on how many "hacks" have been authored, a private hidden "coders discussion" forum, an attitude that "if you can't make my hack work as is, then you shouldn't be installing hacks", etc. I don't see that this has been addressed at all.

3. An overly-complicated forum/sub-forum structure. I see that this has changed, but I'm not sure it's for the better. Apparently, there are now three separate programming/modification sub-forums? And graphic/style discussions are similar scattered.

how are they meant to read this if they left m8 ?

anyway not been following whats been going on and dont really care - seems people forget this board is here for the users who want to mod their vb boards - if people want to post hacks and help then thanks and we appreciate it but your not gods and wont be treated as such.Seen loads of posts where people have been ranting and taking their hacks off vb.org but end of day or month etc they be back as lets be fair here vb.org is the official site of all vb.hacks and i know there are spin offs boards but they dont cater for members like this board does.

If i was in charge id ignore the ones who threw their toys and carry on with updating the board as you are doing.Remember this board aint just about those who shout the loudest - its about helping the little man who needs the help with his/her board.And on vb.org there is many people who are willing to stand up and give help all for a little bit of thanks.

Now while im ranting - change the style - u changing everything else so treat us to a new skin that we`d be proud of :)

I agree with some of those, but I don't think it's necessary to hire professional moderators in order to get professional type work. Many people have forums where they don't get $$, but they still have good moderation.

as far as the coder forum, what's wrong with having a private coder forum? (just wondering what the cons are to it)

I'm sure there's a lot that still browse around to see what's going on without releasing their work here, or there's people that know others who have left and can let them know.

as far as your other points, I disagree, it is about the coders, they should be treated differently than normal members and should have some perks (besides the basic benefits) here for releasing their work to us.

I strongly disagree with your statements about the staff Tgreer. I feel that the staff here is top-notch.

But your #3 statements I DO agree with. the graphics/styles forums are all over the place... very poor placement there.