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Adrian Schneider 09-15-2009 05:42 PM

That's what I'm saying about it messing with things.

wolfstream, you may want to chime in here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...34#post1885234

wolfstream 09-15-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Calash (Post 1885281)
Then problem is that using a mod like this becomes a commitment. Once you have users who have joined via this mod it becomes very difficult to step away from it without abandoning them. A required email address would help as it would allow people to request password resets.

Actually, it's not that hard to step away from it. I did it once with the other facebook mod, and I'm about 30 seconds away from doing it to this one, due to the authors refusal to update product. Abandoning the users? naaah, it can be done without it That's why you put them in a separate usergroup and tell them how they can get their password changed, it's really, really not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Calash (Post 1885281)
It does not need much work to get it to a usable state. Some path tweaks to the java and code will net you a running script. Better use of templates would go a long way to being more portable. The number field edit clears up a lot of the template issues and, IMHO, should have been the top priority to fix to add immediately once resolved.

Are you kidding?
A usable state means that it doesn't interfere with the core vBulletin script at all. As such, this does not do that. There are so many core problems with this script that the developer is just ignoring it's not even funny.

Calash 09-16-2009 01:17 AM

I am not seeing the core problems you are. To be fair I have modified several of the plugins to correct the bugs but overall I have been running it with no problems for several weak no major issues.

BucWiLd 09-16-2009 12:02 PM

this mod has so much potential. however i will wait for the smoke to clear and the dust to settle before i download it.. i hope it does pan out. would love to use it. i just dont understand why this is up for mod of the month, if its so buggy and not supported

Marco van Herwaarden 09-16-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfstream (Post 1878593)
Why am I not surprised that once again, IB ignores their audience and product. Thanks for the update Calash, though you really shouldn't have to be picking up after IB's laziness

Once more to clarify this, "IB" did not release anything. An employee of IB is trying to share something they are creating with the community, just like any other coder who creates something for his own website and shares it with the community.

And calling IB lazy on something "IB" has nothing to do with is simply out of line.

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Originally Posted by wolfstream (Post 1878725)
OH, no, it's laziness.
This is the most pathetic attempt at "support" I've seen in a mod in a very, very long time. Ignoring customer requests, you know, the people that pay the bills?
....
This mod should be moved to the graveyard, because it most definitely is not stable or supported, as the author claims

Again, paying for a vBulletin license does not give you the right to access vBulletin.org, make demands from anyone who shares his/her work with the community, or be abusive in your tone.


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Originally Posted by wolfstream (Post 1882683)
Riiiight, support means you'll just provide support on your own sites. That's pathetic at best. This is NOT a supported mod, hell, it's not even an updated mod here. Get with the program!

Ignoring bug reports, not acting on them, not fixing them is unacceptable. People do your work for you, and you just sit back and do nothing. If you want to run a beta mod, you must provide support (full support) wherever you release the mod, and you must update releases, not sit back and ignore bugs. This is just common sense here!

Again, there is no "must". It is your own choice to run Beta software, which i assume you are not doing on your production site. An author of a mdoifcation will post an updated version whenever he/she has the time and the product is read for a new version.

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Originally Posted by wolfstream (Post 1885007)
#3 - This only recently went to unsupported because IB (the company whos name is behind this product) refuses to support it for better than a month. It was initially released as a 'supported' mod, which got people into installing it, on those grounds.

The only reason they marked this as unsupported is because of the tantrum you are throwing here.

ZiG 09-16-2009 05:33 PM

yea i don't have any of these problems either, its been running perfectly fine for me. there was a vbseo livestats issue, but the guys over at vbseo fixed it for me pretty quickly because they are awesome. besides that, this mod has probably got me over 300 new members...and it is working without any issues.

wolfstream 09-16-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden (Post 1885706)
Once more to clarify this, "IB" did not release anything. An employee of IB is trying to share something they are creating with the community, just like any other coder who creates something for his own website and shares it with the community.

Is it run on an IB website? Yes
Is it run by an IB employee? Yes
There is no way this does not reflect well for IB. Directly, or indirectly, they are responsible for how this mod plays out.


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Originally Posted by BuCwIld (Post 1885689)
this mod has so much potential. however i will wait for the smoke to clear and the dust to settle before i download it.. i hope it does pan out. would love to use it. i just dont understand why this is up for mod of the month, if its so buggy and not supported

The mod is definitely buggy. Why's it up for MOTM? Because support was promised, and it has great potential. I didn't nominate it, I would (personally) have waited until it was stable to do so.

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Originally Posted by ZiG (Post 1885863)
yea i don't have any of these problems either, its been running perfectly fine for me. there was a vbseo livestats issue, but the guys over at vbseo fixed it for me pretty quickly because they are awesome. besides that, this mod has probably got me over 300 new members...and it is working without any issues.

Without any issues, meaning you can close your browser and not have to login again? Of course not, because even on their site that does that.

Without any issues meaning that you didn't have to edit anything to get polls working? Of course not, because, again, even on their site that does that.

There are a number of issues with this mod. Admittedly, some of them are small, but a lot of them are pretty major.

And on that note, I'm done with this mod and thread. It sucks because I have provided a good bit of help and support, but considering the 2 infractions I just got for calling something what it is, I'm not going to risk it.

Good luck getting help with this, good luck getting whatever person @ IB to update their mod.

ZiG 09-16-2009 05:54 PM

no, actually im pretty sure my polls are working just fine...
i haven't tested the closing the browser and still being logged in thing though, but whats the big deal just log back in? its a very minor issue for you to be getting so worked up over, and i'm sure they will be updating their mod. with you acting this way it could probably turn them off from supporting it (i hope not), and in any case i'm sure vb4 will probably have some sort of supported feature for something similar to this so i'm not that worried about the small bugs you have to deal with for now.

anyway relax man, you have to have patience with mods. we get this stuff for free, they do it at their own leisure time. its not like your paying for it...

Ohiosweetheart 09-16-2009 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden (Post 1885706)
The only reason they marked this as unsupported is because of the tantrum you are throwing here.

Oh come now Marco, Anders marked it as unsupported because we asked him to. I mean, he's not supporting it, hasn't answered any questions or helped anyone since a couple of days after he released it. So we requested that he change it to UNsupported because he was, in fact, not supporting it, and he did so.

Releasing something as beta was not the problem. I beta test things all the time. I have no issue with that.

However, releasing something as beta and then completely abandoning the support thread, then telling us wayyy after it's been released here that you're just now getting around to releasing it on your own forums, and upon testing, as you find bugs, then you'll update this here... that's just wrong.

As you said above, most coders release their mods on their own forums first, then release it here. That didn't happen in this case, Marco. It was released here first. WE were the guinea pigs. Had I known that it had not been tested on his own forums first, of course I would not have installed it. I'm smarter than that.

It should never have been released before it was tested first, much like we're doing for alpha vb4. This mod is alpha at best.

This was handled wrong, all the way around, very unprofessionally. :rolleyes:

Calash 09-16-2009 11:34 PM

While I do not share wolfstream's level of anger in this issue, he is quite correct and, IMHO, justified in his response. It is true that we cannot put any blame on IB for this mod, it would be like blaming my webhost for bugs in my efiction mod should I release it.

As much as I enjoy this mod it should have never been released in it's current form, and should not have been marked as supported with their support plan, or lack thereof. If you are not planning on supporting the community here, not just at your own site, that tag should not be set.

There was a reply to one of my posts stating that they would try to push out an update to the mod in a week or two. I am hoping that they will hold to this, if only to show the community here that they have not abandoned this mod.

On a side note, I was one of the people who nominated this mod based on the idea and support during the first few days.


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