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Regardless of your objections and countless reasons to continue a losing arguement, the fact remains that for at least until vB.org is upgraded to 3.5 it will enforce this rule :) In the meantime, the staff will take into account the feedback they have recieved and make a decision on such - Constantly replying and continuing to pester them will not help you or your cause, nor will it allow them the time to think about it if they have to keep "putting the toys back in the pram" ;) So calm down, leave it where it is, and trust that they are considering it as they have tried to explain numerous times... Satan |
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You like to follow blindly and accept undisclosed reasons for changing things etc. be my guest, you're not alone. |
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I'm not following blindly - If you wish to use a tool such as this forum, you have to follow the rules, regardless of your stance for them or not... You have said several times throughout this thread you are unhappy with the rules - Repeating yourself annoys people... Satan |
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https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/rules.php? My arguments in the last 3 threads are about specific points on changes in the direction and vision of vb.org, and possibly worse changes to come. I am not trying to repeat myself, simply replying to each newly presented argument, such as yours. This forum started by hack authors who should have a voice. You are entitled to cheerlead these changes as much as you want, and you could care less why they're being done. But I'm entitled to make my objections noted. Deal with it. |
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You still argue with me when I'm trying to get you to stop arguing... You have made them known multiple times within this thread and others - I'm tired of reading a thread and having you repeatedly arguing with staff and other members about points you have already made clear earlier on in the thread... I don't "care less" about them - I think it is a good idea to have them released in one format... I'm not mistaken - This is an announcement about a new rule - Just because the rules.php file doesn't reflect this does not mean I am mistaken or you are correct ;) Now you may have many conspiracy theories about this minor issue leading to the corruption of the world and a dictatorship ran by an online community, I don't care... Your attitude is very confrontational and I simply believed that getting you to stop and let the issue die was the best idea - Apparently you are more stubborn than I anticipated... You've made your points, the staff have made theirs - Drop the issue, walk away and see what happens... Satan |
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I just find it pointless and annoying to have to zip up single files. I have no objection when multiple files are involved. It's also the fact that this request has actually been forced by removing the ability to upload text or php files on any post, not just the first post of hacks - as the saying goes - "a sledgehammer to crack a nut". :)
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Erwin did say he was interested in hearing more. |
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For example, as a new point, you still think this is a new rule. It is not even a rule. Rules are placed for actions that you can take, but should not. And if you do not follow those rules, you accept to pay the consequences. Uplaoding txt or xml or php is no longer possible. It's gone. For hacks, or for normal posts. You cannot do it even if you want to. So a rule for this does not make any sense. Had it been a rule, it would go something like this "Do not upload large files unless they are compressed as a zip file. If you repeatedly upload large files (larger than 10 kb) without zipping, then ..... " So that would be a rule. Sorry you feel annoyed by my posts, but that's your problem. |
Just because you cannot swear (due to the filtering system) does not mean "not swearing" is not a rule any more ;)
It is a rule - Just because you cannot get around it doesn't make it any less of a rule... The "annoyance" factor is more from your appeared lack of acceptance that the staff have already said they will think about it... Satan |
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I actually do have a lack of acceptance to many things I object to, and I've been doing it since 2000 here and at vb.com. One of my favourites was when Jelsoft stopped offering Impex as a download, and demanded that people send their db's if they want them imported, and Jelsoft staff will do the importing for them. I objected a lot stronger than I'm doing now. I annoyed a lot of people, and had people actually ask "What are you afraid of from submitting your database..." "Jelsoft already decided that, so stop" etc. blablabla. I kept at it, and thankfully, they dropped that decision. If that annoys you, be annoyed. |
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Where's the off button on this thread...it's just zipping files >_<
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do you visit any other forums? do the admins/staff run all changes of said forum through the people? not all forums do and i shouldnt expect this to be any different. even though this is a hacks community it isnt a public forum just as vb is viewable source not gnu. they can discuss what you said in private as all the same arguments have been done most likly.
if your really offened by this you could always release your hacks elsewhere. i know of several other sites that allow for this. |
Our aim isn't to have people stop releasing their hacks here over a bitter argument about zipping up files when releasing mods.
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I'd imagine it is to make a common file format for the Hack Database, and also to allow users to download all the files in one .zip file so they get all the information they need (assuming the hack author zips up all the files :p) in one place, allowing for less trouble distinguishing the instructions and also allowing them to place all the files within a folder structure somewhere or whatever so they know what hacks they have installed ;) Satan |
I think a good solution for everyone would be to have it automatically bundle the zip files, it's very possible and not hard to do at all :)
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Forum mods don't usually have to go in these circles trying to justify why the rules are being changed, yet can't say why, then try different reasons, like bandwith, yeah, that's the ticket. |
I am still amazed that this discussion is still going on - people, all we are asking is that you zip up files before attaching them - this is a download site - zipping up the downloads is a reasonable request.
I do note that the whole debate is fueled only by a small minority of members. Bear in mind that things like this are always under review and such requirements may change when the needs of the site changes - if so, we will notify the members. I am happy to discuss this further via PM. What I'll do is split this thread up so that the discussion occurs in the Site Feedback forum. |
Thread split and moved. :)
Feel free to keep discussing. |
I do want to add that if lots of hack authors start complaining that zipping up attachments is too much of an inconvenience and that it really is a huge problem, then obviously we will review the need to do it. I do not want to appear that we are not listening to feedback. However, it does appear that most hack authors don't really care and would not mind zipping up attachments. Please correct me if I am wrong though.
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I don't mind zipping up hacks, even if it's only 1 file. When dloading a hack, however, unzipping 1 file is hassle.
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What i do myself for a hack is adding the version number to the zipped name, while the hackfile itself stay with one name. Example: My Hack v1.00.zip -->myhack.php My Hack v1.01.zip -->myhack.php This makes it easier to keep multiple versions, without changing the file names. Also you can put in the directory structure if you are using zip-files. I see a lot less mistakes if you zip your files relative to the forumhome directory, then to instruct to upload to a specific directory. The above are all arguments that have been used in our discussion before we started the zip-file request. In the end we are trying to improve things, and if something doesn't work out as we expected, we can always review it, and make adjustments, or turn things back. |
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Agreed Marco ;)
But I also agree with what Paul M says - We should re-allow .txt files for single instruction files;) Satan |
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Vb.org is not really "asking", you disabled the possibility of uploading anything other than zip files, so the request doesn't make any sense. The outrage of some developers (minority?) is due to forcing zips for single files, even for posts that are not hacks. The outrage of another minority who speculate on the real motive (maybe just me), is that you are penalizing the many for the sins of the few. This is the case here, and is the case for disabling the who installed this hack feature. This an alarming trend, and can only get worse. The more you put the squeeze on authors and make things less pleasant, with less tools, less say, plus a bit of suspicion, you grow a sense of "us" and "them" on this forum, you'd get less motivation, less interest and less quality of future releases. There's no real winners in this scenaro, not even Jelsoft. |
We are discussing this matter (as in vB.org staff, vB.com staff and Jelsoft) so please give us some time to reach a resolution.
In the meantime, I am closing this thread - not because I want to stifle further discussion but because I understand (truly I do) the concerns of the members and will bring up their concerns with relevant people. Thank you for your patience, and again, my PM box and the PM box of staff are open. My apologies if any inconvenience has been caused in the meantime. We hope to reach a resolution soon. |
UPDATE: If you have multiple files, please ZIP them up. But if it's one file, for the moment, you can upload it as TXT, XML or PHP, without zipping. :)
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A sensible choice indeed. :)
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Now we can all make up and stop arguing? ;)
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Yay, thank you Erwin, for stopping the havoc. :bunny:
^^ that smilie isn't used much... |
Thanks Erwin, et al. :up:
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awesome man... nice job
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