Take a look at vb.com and read the numerous amount of posts from the people that have shown concern. Even to the point where they almost lost it. vbulletin.com is the url. :)

I know the URL Shell (that rhymed)

Lost it as in what? like lost their minds? I agree there are a lot of people reading too deep into the situation and getting all upset because of rumors or happenings that are blown out of proportion.

If you flip back in this thread a bit and read John's (Smacklan) post about not worrying about things you can't change and just waiting to see what actually happens before you get all upset, that is how we should all take it.

But noooooooo, not us, we are like the emo kids of the forum script world. "There's those vB kids crying over their script again" get a grip people, it is not that bad, and all the whining and moaning in the world won't change a thing other then hold vB/IB up on releasing a quality product because they are devoting too much time to damage control that isn't even merited.

I'm not upset, concerned. I'll expect what I expect when it's released. I'm almost sure what i'll get but again that is mere speculative thinking. I agree with johns philosophy, if you can't change something or have an impact then there's no point in bleeting like a little lost sheep. But the facts are they are bleeting, they are worried, concerned and that we can both agree on is a fact.

Marco and co could come into this thread a million times and basically say "everything will be fine" but sure enough, it won't change the minds of the concerned.

what I will say again though, if vb4.0 is anything like 3.7/3.8 then I'm almost positive there will be an uproar with limited functionality within features (that we were blessed with in 3.7/3.8). But again, we'll see and if worst comes to the worst I still won't be fussed. Either way it's a win/win situation for me. So the developers in my eyes can't really do wrong. :)

I can agree with that. :)

lol...i like my "Ford pinto" as long it runs and the local parts store has the parts to fix it, I'm going to still run it to the ground.:D There are more serious things in life to worry about then this.

I'm not really that worried, VBulletin has a brilliant Track record, if i wanted to Read right from the horses mouth i'll go over to VB.com.

I'm sure the new guys will bring much needed and fresh ideas to Take VB into the next level.

Are there really people that spend 10s of thousands either ?/$ on their forums??

Life goes one, whoever owns VB, Imagine how i felt went Tata bought Landrover :eek:

I own 3 vb licenses, and I am not concerned. Lets get some fresh people into jelsoft and see where things go.

This is like people who own trucking companies getting upset that a few people from GM or Ford left. Is no big deal, people change jobs all the time and the world keeps going around, and around, and around.

Wow thank god your not worried Kev, I though you'd be losing sleep and turning into an alcoholic by now with all these rumours and scare mongering :D:D

hahahaha !!! I just enter myself to a "AA" vbulletinanonymous i just can't handle the changes.I can't sleep or can eat.I'm suffering from withdraws...Is there any cure for this??:eek:

Interesting Uk. Why the "thank god" your not worried kevj comment? Are people not allowed to be concern of the future of vbulletin? And secondly, who's scare mongering? And what rumours are you speaking of?

Last time I checked, Developers left (fact). many people are concerned over at vb.com (they just don't bother posting it here) fact.

Like I stated and I'll say again. I'm not concerned but if 4.0 is anything like 3.7/3.8 you'll be most certainly eating your words. :D I'll probably even be here telling you I told you so as well. :p

Let's hope it's not the case and then instead of thanking god we can pay homage to the developers. :rolleyes:

Shelley is there are changes to V4 then i'm sure they would of been well thought off and tested many months ago, For the life of me i can't understand when 4 guys leave its all panic stations, I've said stated before why worry and lose sleep until we see the finished product, I can't judge someone or a company without seeing the final result, why assume when all could be going really well?

As you state 3.7 and 3.8 + are practically all the same and you hope v4 won't be, well lets just say it is, then you'll be saying good riddance to the 4.

Lets all just keep Calm, and not knock anything until V4 comes out, its always easy to speculate even if your wrong now.

Personally i don't see what all the fuss is about and we've not had any members thats spent 10s of thousands of $/? on their forums voice any concern, because they know that rumors and scare mongering will do more damage in the long run.

Just my 2c worth ~ Don't hate me for it :)

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Sorry Buddy, your too far gone, I'm gonna need to put you on an island with Amy Winehouse for a few months :D:D

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hahahaha I'm better of going with Mick Jagger !! she looks like him in certain ways.:D

Ditto

I don't hate you for giving your 2 cents worth Uk just like I'm sure you won't hate me for giving my 2 cents worth. which I will (just not right now It's getting late) and that image of amy whinehouse as suddenly made me feel like I've entered an episode of spitting image.


Unless you have access to license credentials how would you know that? I know of scores of big board admins that spend more than 10s of thousands you really need to put those doubts aside. Marketing, research, hiring, outsourcing etc the list goes on all of them relying and making a living from vbulletin. I'm sure as a business man you know that already.

Anyway, I won't get into that with you but I'd go as far as saying there are 100s of thousands of pounds involved with regards to business people that rely on vbulletin.

Anyway, my point in this thread originally was, you need to stop making the accusations that people are scare mongering, they have a right to be concerned and discuss it just as much right as you have in attempting to calm them down stating everything will be alright.

And please don't hate me too much for my 2 cents worth either uk. :)

Yes and to reiterate Brent's point a few pages back, many of them have legitimate concerns about the possiable conflict of interest that Internet Brands and vBulletin poses. Internet Brands is in a position to manipulate the market that best fits the needs of forums they already own.

Brent also brings up a good point about the Google Adsense integration. I'm not entirely sure how that helps vBulletin make money. There doesn't seem to be any real explanation as to why they added it and the doc link they give you doesn't seem to work:

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/adsense_integration.

Downloading a separate vBulletin altogether seems a bit counter intuitive if you ask me, and I don't like the idea of vBulletin and Internet Brands being able to obtain even a limited amount of my adsense information. I find that to be very alarming, especially if you have a competing forum.

The original staff leaving vBulletin isn't all that surprising to me. They probably had everyone under contract to stick around and help with the changing of ownership. But once that contract is up, they can cash their checks and leave, which I think is fine but a little transparency would have helped a great deal. Censoring your customers doesn't help either.

In any case, I'm skeptical about vBulletin's future. I had high hopes that vBulletin 4 was going to be coded using standard MVC and OOP practices, but from what I have seen and read, that isn't going to be the case.

I've put over $10,000 into my Mustang Forum easy. It's probably approaching $20,000. So I feel like I am stuck now with no viable ways to leave vBulletin that doesn't waste all that money and hard work and set me back.

Why would you want to leave VBulletin ?? :eek: Just because 4 blokes left ???

Did you not read any of my previous posts?

I did have a quick Glance but all thats been said is simply speculation, i know 4 guys have left but why assume that they are the best VB coders ever and that no one can even replace them.

I'm sure VB.com has explained whats happened, Its up to them to fill us in with any updates.

Adding pages of doom and gloom here don't do anyone any justice. I'm not taking anything in from this thread as when VB.com are ready to explain the next step i'm sure they will let all their customers know. I've been in business many years to learn never go by speculation, sometimes what might appear drastic will not be more than basic business acumen.

Have you heard any new news from the VB.com camp?? :)

Did You bother reading Kens post UK. Facts in there, no speculation. bamasomething stated he put 10,000 in closer to 20,000 (like i stated in the post where i said people have ploughed 10s of thousands, to which you said and we've not had any members thats spent 10s of thousands of $/? on their forums voice any concern There's a couple in this thread right now and I can name 20 more who I've worked with who's spent more. You really need to start reading before replying uk.

So, your speculating yourself. The whole problem is communication and the lack of (try reading at vb.com) lack of.

It's clearly showing now it's doom and gloom for you. People are expressing their concerns which I did say to you earlier UK. But I guess you glanced at what I wrote also and read what you wanted to read. Again, I'm not concerned, but other people who have ploughed 10s of thousands into their forums and make a living from vbulletin are concerned (granted not all) but enough to be a concern to IB.

Then why don't they email VBulletin.com direct??? Why think that members on a modification forum will know the answers??

The old saying goes, No news is good news!! perhaps the reasons that VB.com have not said anything is probably because theres not a problem in their eyes.

As i said earlier I was shocked when Tata Bought Landrover but things have actually improved, so you need to give it a chance.

.......and I have been reading, but what people have posted most of it is assumptions and pure speculation, take all that away and we're left with a half empty thread I have been reading the Posts, especially by BamaStangGuy

From what i see he hates IB and will stop at nothing to flame Vb, thus creating Panic and worry amongst the VB.org members. Thats why apart from genuinely concerned members who were concerned that 4 guys left Vb, now its created a panic senerio. He was banned On VB.Com for his views and he's doing it here also.

What is this thread actually achieving?? with so many different thoughts and inputs, coming into play

How about we simplify things a bit and do a list of what we know as fact, what has happened at VBulletin, Starting 1. , then 2., etc.

I'll Start..

1. 4 Guys left VBulletin
2. (Feel free to add!)



And then when we have proof direct from VB.com, we can post them here for all to enjoy.

At least we won't have pages and pages to read through, with alot of thought, but no real proof.

Just an idea :up::down:

I'll tell you why UK, because I myself am not concerned. Like I stated and have stated numerous times in this thread. It's the customers privilege and right to show concern. To collaborate with one another that's why this thread was created? And the attempt in closing it is clearly showing that this type of discussion is not wanted.

The no news is good news is pure nonsense uk and you know it. It may not be bad news, but you cannot rely on a quoted myth to answer questions fundamental to the concerned users. It's really that simple I'm afraid.

What's this thread achieved, well, like many other threads nothing and everything (if we are both talking in riddles) but I can't get why your getting so upset about it UK when people are merely just discussing and showing their concerns.

That is not an idea, that is you trying to dictate the path of this chat and your not even the OP. You had no problems with the people who haven't shown concern yet you have with the ones that do? Why is that UK? Now again, read Kens posts he explains very well his concerns and that should be the end of that without the need of people coming in making accusations of scaremongering.

If people are concerned allow then this right (and I did try to tell you earlier in this thread uk).

I have read Kens Post

Speculation

The Original Poster Posted that 4 guys Left VB, BamaStangGuy is stating that he hates IB and is starting to get Very Negative about VB in general, That has nothing to do with the original poster.

Read the Thread from the begining and see before BamaStangGuy posted who has stated that they are not bothered that 4 guys left ?? Its the way comapnies are at the moment, nothing personal, I was shocked when Woolworths shut, Where will i get my christmas lights this year!!

:)

Is the same dude thats been in charge since 3.6, 3.7 and 3.8 still in charge or did he leave to? If he's still there replacing coders shouldn't matter since the head honcho would still be directing them in the direction they were going with the other coders.

Now if the head guy has changed or someone took his place cause he retired or some BS. Then I could be worried. I look at it like video games.. Red Alert from Westwood was amazing. Then Westwood got bought out and had new bosses.. The game now sucks balls compared to where it was. (SCREW YOU EA)

I know that feeling Burnt :eek:

Anyway if you guys pop over to VB.com, Then you'll see that Ray Morgan has posted an update about vB4

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311720

Sounds good to me :D

I'll carry on chatting in here Uk, There's no rules that are broken and again you cannot forcefully direct people to another site. I don't post at vb.com. And there's nothing in the way of anything being told in that link so the concerned will carry on doing that. being concerned.

The future of vbulletin is still just that also, a mystery. But again, not concerned. I don't think I've mentioned the word concerned so much in my life without actually being concerned.

*wonders how amy whinehouse is fairing up*

Feel free to chat, I'm not forcing people to look at the VB.com forum althought its VBulletins main forum where all the Important announcements are made concerning VBulletin. Its a bit silly for people that are so concernered, to not view all the latest updates, so not sure why your saying i'm forcing people to view it, thats just being silly :p

As opposed to VBulletin.org which is mainly a modification forum, and no one here has all the right answers.

Anyway it was nice for Ray to add an update, even though you won't want to read it i was posting the link for the majority of Members.

:D

I agree with Shelley. Every vB license holder has the right to be concerned and voice their opinions, whether it be here, vB.com or elsewhere.

I, too, worry about what vB is going to going forward. I do hope the build on their current success and enhance their product.

What does surprise me is that those customers who have spent $10k+ on their forums will spend the next few months worrying about what will happen, but won't drop a couple of grand to fly out to El Segundo, California to talk to Internet Brands management.

If I had that much money invested in a product that I use as a source of income, and four of the top developers left the company, you better believe my butt would be on a plane flying out there to meet with their reps to figure out what is going on.

I agree with that also, people have a right to be concerned, so by looking at VB.com and getting the right answers to address your concerns is the correct way forward, likewise for the guys that have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on their forums, getting the Answers from VBulletin direct is the best answer as oppose to 3rd party speculation and assumptions.

Carry on being corncered it it makes you feel better but reading what Ray stated on VB.com certainly lifted a big weight off my shoulders.

:D

UK - I read what ray posted i said I never posted, not that I never look/read threads. There was nothing definite in that post. I even quoted most of it, so, how could I have ignored it? Again, your really reading into things you that you want to read into.

He did not give any dates, not even any in depth info (about 15 lines) come on. Your now insulting my intelligence. Even chimpie got what I said, and what I'm saying.

OK :D

If you didn't just glace over posts and actually read some of them, you wouldn't be asking that question. Shelley is correct, it is all doom and gloom for you right now and your not providing anything constructive to this thread. Instead, you post a photo that borders sexual content that just distracts the conversation, it has no place here.

People have posted their concerns at vb.com and they were either banned or they would close the threads to prevent further discussion. vBulletin sent me a clear signal when they closed the announcement discussions forum, they don't want to hear what we have to say.

No, you wouldn't.

Well, considering I flew to Houston to visit the HostGator's offices (my host), met with their front end staff, visited a training class, met with their office staff, met with their management, and I'm not spending anything close to $10k, yeah I would.

Just an update for those of you who haven't seen it elsewhere

I saw it, still looking forward to 4.0 :up:

On rare occasions does it make sense. In this case, it's not financially sound to fly across the country because a company had been bought up and lost some employees. People will either continue using what they have, or move to a competitor.

I am too :D At least now we have a better timeframe of when to expect what though :)

I thought that announcement was well-written and honestly.... I'm more excited now about the 4.0 series than I was before. That announcement alleviated any concern that I had about the 4.0 series being an awesome product. I have confidence that most everyone will love the 4.0 series -- Others won't, but then of course those will be the ones who can never be pleased by anything (read: has an evergreen frown on their face which stays on summer, autumn, winter & spring) :D

Jacquii.

Because Ken a lot of posts were either Flaming, Speculative or pure assumption, Like a lot of posts on this thread. Forums have rules and as admins yourselves i'm sure you'd understand. I'm fully aware that people are concerned, but being ex army i'm also fully aware that asummptions and speculations can be dangerous, so thats why i cut the chase and go by facts alone. Which is what i've been trying to explain.

You've seen the message now written by Ray stating that Vbulletin has had more guys working on the software than at any time in its history, to me that don't sound like a company going down the pan?

You need to have a little bit of faith here, which is what i've been saying all along, so i'm glad that Ray managed to shead some light and give us a clearer picture of the situation.

Like the last few posts, i'm also looking forward to vB4, and i'll post here also if i hear any updates from the VBulletin Site ;)

Nobody was flaming in this thread UK. Again that is pure nonsense, people will voice their concerns and whether it conflicts with your way of thinking you need to get used to it. Yes, speculation, but isn't that allowed? Are they not allow to worry what the future holds because it doesn't comply to your way of thinking and going on faith (as you have stated on numerous occasions).

Had you not tried to persuade & waver peoples opinions/concerns with some ridiculous comments, the thread would have been a lot less heated. Anyway, as you know, the conflicts of interest is a big concern for some people and all they have is their concerns and whether or not it comes to the worst then it'll be too late.

Me personally, I think vbulletin is still the best forum script, I tried the latest rivalling forum software yesterday and although in many areas it's wonderful the customers (majority of them) will find it easier with vbulletin especially in the styling department.

And what the developers have conveyed across styling is supposed to be easier with vbulletin (if it can be any easier).