I dont mind George, but I think he asks goofy questions.

Hey Digital.

Thank you for your response. I like a good healthy, respectful debate:up:

Why do you admire Obama? For his on camera fortitude or his past work? Admiration is something that is earned over time, not scripted to delight an audience. And his past work, well whether your R or D, leaves a lot to be desired. I like positive people and I like Obama's positive spirit but already he has displayed why this cynical nature exist in U.S. politics by promoting people who have shown to be less than admirable people and of course all partisan as of now. (Both Clintons and a few others.) I would feel the same if Obama were a Republican. Why would Obama do this instead of starting out fresh with people less polar and more trustworthy? Because in a nutshell, his campaign was fluffy and said what everyone wanted to hear until he got the job. Now he appears as partisan as all the rest by his actions alone. Now comes the time to scratch backs in return. Surprised? Not in the least. Disappointed? Yes. So far, politics as usual? Looks that way. This is contrary to McCain's history of being quite bi-partisan on many occasions. We need a new start not ushering in ANY of the old problematic people and their past failed agenda. Honestly I'm sure people who voted for him are starting to think this as well.

Do you really believe any of these non-partisan groups are actually truly 100% non partisan? Who do you think funds them? Republican and Democrats. That IS being manipulated by a media outlet of which you cannot and never will be able to confirm with all certainty that they produce legitimate non partisan results. Well you could try actually if they are an NPO and you ask for a copy of their 990. But that may not make you feel to great when you see it in black and white. SO if you based your vote for president off of these non partisan group's reports, more than likely you have been dooped and of course manipulated.

It's difficult to temper my caution when there is a president elect waiting in the wings that has already proven to be less than admirable. Actually to be quite honest, I was hoping Obama would be a breath of fresh air but...

Again, I ask what tangible action(s) of Obama do you admire or is it just his tenacious promising diatribe that you admire? I ask this with absolutely no ill intent. It is a serious question as I may have missed something that I need to educate myself on. << no sarcasm meant whatsoever. Seriously, please think about this for a moment. What are you basing your admiration on? Sounds to me like political posturing and canned rhetoric.

I think this country is done with right and left politics and it's time to move towards a middle ground. I'm sick of liberals. I'm sick of Conservatives. I'm sick of psycho overly religious people and hippy-Cumbiya protesters. LOL

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Despite our different opinion, I'm sure we both have an enormous amount of things to be thankful for. :D Our children for one thing and I hope yours are healthy and happy. That's all that really matters to me anyway.

P.S. I'm curious why you didn't comment on my Hiroshima analogy? Seems like Democrats never want to talk about this unimaginable hell Truman caused. What's good for the goose..... This is a kettle issue if I've ever seen one, to the absolute extreme. If Harry was a Republican you know Democrats would still be bringing it up in the media. I'm so glad I'm neither.

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I would have liked to have seen a Rice/ Lieberman ticket. :):)

I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. I don't think we need talk crazy at each other to make our points. :D

I've been watching Obama closely for over three years now. My admiration has been earned over that time. Now, I know most people may have known him less then that, but if you asked most people if they knew who they voted for three, four, eight years in advanced, how many do you think would say yes? Most people learn the name of the Presidential candidates the year they're running and they make their judgments based on the judgment the candidate shows.

I have to agree with Obama on this: Words matter. What you say reveals how you think. How you think is evidence of your judgment and your intelligence. Do what the critics of Obama suggest and listen to his words. He makes sense. Something that not a lot of politicians have done in the past. It doesn't matter if you agree with his words or not, what matters is a lot of careful, wise and independent though went into them; he knows what he's talking about. That's the thing. If this guys words where empty, he would not have moved the people he did. He spoke to a part of the populations heart and it resonated with them. Empty words cannot do that.

And as I said, his past actions are service. No, he didn't serve in military like John McCain, but I'm not one who finds community service silly or less of a service. His entire life he's made choices that worked toward the betterment of the community, even if it meant some things he'd like to do would have to be put by the wayside. His record in the Senate shows a concern for whether the middle class where being taken care of, not the rich, not big corporations (I also happen to agree that the middle class are the engine of the economy.) And, again, campaigns are evidence of leadership ability. The ability to manage so many personalities and keep them on message speaks volumes more to me then if he worked with Republicans or not (which he has).

I don't have any reason to doubt the majority of these non-partisan groups until someone gives me reason to. They say things I don't agree with at times, but that doesn't lead me to doubt their varsity, especially if they're respected on the whole. Anything else is just a conspiracy theory, and that will lead you down the dangerous road of doubting everything, even when it is real. (Look at what happened to Mulder, but I digress.)

Now, I don't have a problem with McCain personally. But what I do know is that the "voted with Bush 90% of the time" thing isn't just a party line or an out of context quote. McCain's plans for the country where very much in line with Bush's on the whole, with only a few variations in things like his tax plan and his views on spending. That concerned me.

Again, it was McCain's judgment that most people went by. I personally had a problem when he would very often contradict his statements from one day to the next. It just happened too often. I heard him say things about Sarah Palin like "I'm proud of her" or "She's energized our base", but never once did I hear him say "She will help me govern". Lots of little things worried me about McCain and they added up. And it's not whether I thought he was a good man or a partisan or a whether he was old or not. It was his ability to lead that I, and a good chunk of the country questioned.

As far as promoting less then admirable people goes. Let's face it, Obama can either pick the people who have pretty records or he can pick the people who can get the job done. What matters is who is in the top spot calling the shots. A good leader will not just pick the people with the spotless records. And a great leader will make sure he keeps them busy and out of trouble in the meantime.

Yes and Hillary really got the healthcare job done eh? LOL Carpetbagger... a scumbag for a husband.... Whitewater and her collegue who "committed suicide" ???? That's a record of accomplishment? Oh and she also voted for the Gulf war under the same pretences as GWB. So how does all of this make her accomplished and a good leader?

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Oh and Palin.. All I have to say is.. "what were they thinking? Were they thinking? "

Of this I'm talking about:

That we already knew, that's why ppl send you there 'ChangeBoy'

Who can save us? :confused:

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More likely :p

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Hi again

Hope you dont forget my words :)

I don't know how much people are enjoying their lives e.t.c

What do people make of Obama now ???

Is he a too faced / double standard guy ? , he seems to have done much better than Bush as soon as he came into office if you know what im chattin about.


Don't know how much of the truth you get to know in the world but alittle more longer and you will start to see better :D

Byeee

Man!
let me tell ya... I'm now at the end of the world right? and I made an effort and connect to see 9/11 Memorial back home... as far as I know Obama wasn't on 'Ground Zero', so I watched him say a bunch of emotionless words+crackhead-wise+read only speech at the Pentagon!

so I truly believe he lives 'over the rainbow' :confused:

It seems people in all 50 states wish to secede from the abomination... err, Obama Nation:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,4408092.story

That being said, did any of y'all sign those petitions?

I'd rather sign a petition kicking Washington DC out of the country than trying to secede from it.

It wouldn't be the first time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessi..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._United_States

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