What about the rest of my questions?

That is exactly what I was thinking actually and could be more to it than just what the announcement said.

omg. please just move on. -_-


Congrats again Jelsoft.

I have confidence you will be able to convert this opportunity into a better product for your customers (us!)...... OR ELSE!!! lol :p ;) I'm not worried about a price hike or would necessarily mind if it meant an even better product. don't think everyone is nickel-and-diming it around here and worried about a few bucks.

(aside: Good move on Internet Brands, Inc. part. I was kinda was thinking the Big G woulda been interested if they held out though. lol other than that... GOOD LUCK and congrats once again.)

Well, I guess there's only one thing to do and that's just to wait and see what happens next... I sure hope they don't increase prices as I do plan on buying more licenses.

It wouldnt be so bad if they shared a partnership for a few months before hand, instead of just passing it on to another company.

Why is everyone presuming this is going to be so bad. What if it turns out to be a great thing. Maybe this will make vbulletin a lot better

We choose VB over IPB for one main reason, stability. We believed Jelsoft was a further matured and stable company over Invision Power. With this accusation going ahead there is one fear, and that is that the inspiration, the visionary of the whole idea is no longer at the helm. And what is left is a group of managers, who can manage things very well as they have done, but too see no more new life coming into their hands.

Sorry but there is a much greater percentage of accusations that end up bitter then positive.

A company buys another company if it believes it can create better cashflow out of what is there. You buy a company to make money from it, you change the company so it makes more money for you, then you sell the company at a greater prices as the projected returns are now more then what they were when you purchased it.

VB now is in danger of becoming a cashball, a product, and no longer a community. It is in danger of going from company to company, with each one trying its best to increase its profitability during its short ownership then handballing it onto the next.

Anyone remember what happened to iKonBoard when Jeg / Jarvis came about ? Ahh that's right, the core team ran like hell to make Invision Power Board.

We started with IPB, looks like in future we will return.

Hopefully I am proved completely wrong, and have to retract this post in the future. But chances are it won't exist 3 yrs from now.

Regards,

Joel

Some ppl like to look for the worst action in things ;)

Congrats and goodluck Jelsoft. :)

Maybe because the vbulletin software is a very important part of our websites and we spent a lot of time and energy to enhance and modify it to suit our needs?
It took me some thousand hrs to get this done and it would be a nightmare if major changes as code encryption or car advertising banners pop ups :eek: should be integrated in future versions. And sadly there is no alternative to vbulletin.

I just hope that this will be different than photopost buying vbGallery a while ago. Remember? vBGallery died since...
Please don't do this...

Indeed, however, just remember that even if Jelsoft suddenly vanished tomorrow (which they won't), you would still have the same fully working site, nothing would actually stop, so all the doom and gloom from people is a little OTT.

Maybe good, maybe bad, we'll see...

That's the first thing that came to my mind when I read this post. VBGallery was bought out by Photopost, because it was taking revenue from Photopost. They gave all the customers an extra year of support/downloads, but never improved the product for two years except for maintenance releases. They don't even promote the sale of VBGallery much on their site, so as to promote their own substandard photopost product.

As a novice user of VBulletin, I was impressed with the many features it had to offer, and the amazing VB Org community and support. Initially, it was a major learning curve for me to learn how to install/modify, and maintain VB over the past couple of years. It took time, money, and a lot of post reading to figure out how to create and maintain my site, but I have enjoyed the product immensely.

No matter what is said in this thread, the bottom-line is money, money, and more money. I don't blame Jelsoft for selling out, because I'm sure they were offered a large chunk of change, and they had to take it. Although, as one of my mentors once said to me, "It's not how much money you have in the bank, but it's how much income you have coming in".

Save yourself a few hits on the keyboard, and let this one go. I know I will...

This is nothing like that. It isn't like the buyer has a competing forum software in the market. We all know PP bought VBG to garrot it to give PP room to completely corner the market. Of course the PP guys will tell you otherwise. But that's not even the issue here.

I'm done with this thread. Too many doomsayers. Change is not always a good thing, sure, but remaining static can be equally bad for a company. Let's wait and see...

Dude...you're hilarious...on point but hilarious!

As far as the sale is concerned, eh? I haven't received any decent support from the vbull.com site since I came aboard so whatever...can't be any worse than now or yesterday...or the day before...or the day before that...maybe I'll get something other than "there's nothing we can do for you" or "it's not our policy but if they pirate our license, then by all means please send us a snitch report" or just not get flat out ignored...

We'll see...

since it IS a big part of your sites? (mine too) why you guys are all being such haters and whiners???

IMO, why not try to contribute to a POSITIVE outcome if you are all so worried about it instead of just whining and moaning of how all is at an end? Since when does THAT help achieve your goal of a smooth transition and BETTER company? shoot yourself in the foot. self-fulling prophecy... etc etc.

And for the record, srry, but luky's post about company buyouts WAS hilarious to me too...hilarious in how ridiculously oversimplified and offbase it was. Not even worth commenting on or taking seriously because of it. Nothing personal, but that SOUNDS like a student rambling (ie: someone without a single clue as to the nature of business or M&As specifically.)

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so...
GOOD LUCK AND CONGRATS JELSOFT!!!
and remember...silent majority. ;)
(I bet MOST are actually likely in the same general zone I'm in... ie: I am cautiously OPTIMISTIC and PSYCHED for the what this could mean on the UPSIDE. (heck, ppl might as well be as its DONE already and nothing you can do about it.)

PERSONALLY, I've dealt with a few buyouts from both ends ... and it can go eitherway (v.bad to GREAT) and seems to mostly come down to the people, corporate culture clash, and the nature of the buyout. So, do we know anything about the actually deal made? any clues on price? No? well then... again.... STOP SPECULATING as it helps NOTHING but create animosity and makes you FARTHER from the goal of a GOOD result.

So I DARE eveyrone to STEP UP and be USEFUL and throw in SUPPORT... or constuctive thoughts on your main concerns and reasons for loyalty to vb, so they know what to take more efforts in preserving. You can always bish later (which it seems like many would no matter how it went) if quality of product or supoort or whathaveyou is significantly afffected.

ANY manager or exectuive is MORE response to THAT...than idle, armchair threats, doom and gloom and just flat out whining.

Win-Win. no?

sheesh.

Doesnt mean to pray for bad luck to new owner VBulletin Product,but I have strong feel something bad waiting in the future with this products.We hope no need to switch to other scripts :(

By the way good luck to Jelsoft for fresh pound :)

How could it be anything similar to this? I.B. doesn't have their own forum software so them buying out vBulletin was just for profits and getting their name out in the online community. They didn't do it to throw vBulletin out the door. They know as much as the customers do that vBulletin is better and will always be better than any product out there. So what if they raise the price up? Does that mean it will die? NO. People will still buy the product without even thinking twice because the product is just that good. The product HAS to be good as it is the most nulled Forum Software script out there. PW had THOUSANDS of threads dedicated to vBulletin alone.

IMO, vBulletin will always be around. It can't just disappear because some company with no coding experience takes it over. They bought it, as I said, for profits, not to take it over and learn how to code. The coders will still be here and will still do what they have been doing since 2000 when vBulletin first came out.

All those whiners, just stop we aren't 5 year olds playing the "what if" game -- it just won't happen.

I agree what you say.

There have been no changes in the development team as a result of the acquisation.

I think some of the big questions have not even been asked yet..........

How much was the purchase price? Was it all cash or stocks or even a mix? I did read someone mentioning one of the part owners? Just left as this was happening? With the new company compensation declarations laws that were just enacted they have to report any parachutes or extras for whoever left. As well as who is still there. I wonder if its more than a coincidence?

I do not think they will be raising the price's anytime soon. I would think for them to make this purchase successful and too keep its customer base with the hopes to expand would be to lower the price or hold sales. Run promotions to do just that Promote to get a return on their purchase.... Get the Marketing done and fast

How much was the purchase price?
It has been asked before, but this is information that i can not disclose (even if i did know the answer).

Then who is going to patch our security holes?

Actually he's correct. VB has actually only grown to become better and better and my hopes are that with more manpower and resources VB 4.0 will be the leading bulletin board with impressive features that will take us into Web 2.0.

I was just looking through old things when I decided to take a trip back.

Prices Stayed the Same


Features improved

Lets see what happens and then start speculating about why it happened.

wow when vBulletin first came out their website looked like crap lol :P They really have come a long way though.

vBulletin won't change much from where it is going right now because of the fact that I.B. purchased something they are not specialized in.

Now in regards to the Co-owner leaving, maybe he just siezed the opportunity to move onto different (and perhaps better things for him). The other alternative to this is he got the boot from I.B. when they purchased vBulletin. Seeing as Jelsoft and I.B. is not telling us the more finer details we may never know the real reason.

congrats jelsoft ^^

The specific reasons for John's depature are listed in this thread:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235463

I agree with you... it could become the best move vB has made.. or the worst move.. time will tell..

Hey, the site might have underage visitors, watch your mouth!
:p:p:p:p:p:p

This is certainly an interesting development... I sincerely hope that they take the product and improve on it, but it's always hard to tell what a company's true intentions are when they buy someone out.

Either way, I look forward to seeing what comes.

i see some OG coders of vb starting their own version after this fails miserably

I don't see anything "failing" :rolleyes:

Congrats! I do not believe that it will negatively affect the company and its products. If the license and renew price increases, my first reply will be: finally. Because imo it's worth a lot more.

Bodybuilding.com is doing pretty good so far.

Lol, seriously, are you from IPB?

Do you have any evidence or facts to prove why it would fail?

If there's a price hike.. well, IPB has been getting better lately.

If there's a support problem or they start damaging the communities.. I've heard good things said about IPB and phpBB.

Simply put- there's alternatives. vB is great software and I'd hate to have to move, but it might end up being the case that moving is the only option. We can only hope that this will not come to that conclusion.

well might be good. but am surprised that one co-founder has decided to pursue other interests!!!!!

not a good omen

LOL - y'all are funny...

John was already not involved in the day to day running of Jelsoft for a long time. His interest go to other ventures at this time. He made a post on vb.com explaining the reasons why he is leaving.

Oh noes, another religious nut. :o

Not crap at that time. :p