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/me blushes.
Translation: It's a place for geeks to "FLEX" in their Geekdom. :glasses: We are the Borg. |
[high]* Logikos bows to Stefan :p[/high]
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I'm not thrilled that I can't see what your talking about, but I do understand..
hope the Sr coders are able to share the knowledge with the younger coders and produce more product for me to try :D |
You really should change the description for it .....
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On-topic: I agree with the decision to make it non-public. I couldn't understand why it was public in the first place. Went in, took a look at the number of non-coder posts and didn't stick my head in again. :) |
Hmm. I'm definitely a professional coder. I've made my living programming and teaching others to program, for decades. I wrote the printing industry's first complete eCommerce platform... I've been doing web development since there was a web - in fact I was a Compuserve Sysop prior to the 'Net. In terms of PHP and vBulletin, I've coded my own complete plugins, as well as re-written and fixed a few that I've found here. However, because I choose not to release my code to the community, with all of the attendant support problems that would entail, I'm not considered a "coder", and so cannot benefit from discussion with other vBulletin/PHP programmers?
That being the case, I hardly understand the raison d'etre of vbulletin.org! The problems you describe can be fixed with proper forum moderation... the decision to hide the primary resource/reason for the forum, from forum members such as myself, based on an arbitrary classification, is not the right way to handle the situation. Thomas D. Greer www.tgreer.com Professional Coder, Consultant, Trainer |
Thomas, I have to disagree. Coding ability really has nothing to do with the equation in my book. It's a reward for those who take the time to contribute to the site. If you aren't going to share your work, why should you be entitled to benefit from mine?
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Personally, I think its a fine idea. Without these peepz who create these cool addons/hacks for vb, software would be kinda boring.
As a non-coder I really see no reason for members like myself to have access. Give them their privacy, hell might even have them coding more.. |
amykhar: I respect your opinion. Disagreement is a healthy thing, I think.
My point is that, as a professional developer, I might just be able to contribute to "the site", and to a coder's subforum in particular, in a positive, beneficial way, regardless of whether I release plugins or not. Who knows? Reading and discussing ongoing projects with other PHP programmers might tempt me to collaborate, or share similars mods of my own with other coders. In fact, I'd be much more willing to share my work among other skilled programmers, than I would be to release a plugin to the public. I commend you for taking on that burden, and if you want a reward for that beyond the satisfaction of a job well done: PM me your address, I'll send you a cookie. If I simply wanted to benefit from your work, I can do that already, can I not? So that, to me, is a non-argument. |
Thomas, programming is your profession. You do as a means to live. You understand what it takes to support your work. You understand that you have to support the work you release.
Most of the hack coders are are hobbiest, there are exceptions and this isn't meant to slight them. They think that having the coder tag makes them larger than life. Some of them have egos as big as Mount Everest and some are arrogant enough to say I won't support this hack if you can't understand how to install it. They don't know what it is like to develope and support an enterprise peice of software where you have to hand hold the majority of people who buy and use the product. The coder forum gives them validation. As far as all the argueing about it being private. Why does anyone care? It isn't going to get you a job programming. It doesn't make you a coder. After all you are only hacking forum software and that isn't something you can put on your resume. There are a few professional programmers that visit here that have never released a hack for one reason or another. My reason is the same as yours. I wouldn't have time to support it in the way it should be supported. Let them have the private forum. I doubt it would be benificial to the real programmers anyway. |
Yes, I'm a professional developer. However, I don't take quite the same antagonistic stance on this issue as you do. I've downloaded/installed some of these plugins, looked at the code, and wanted to ask a few questions as to why this was hard-coded, instead of phrased, etc. I'm not as familiar with the underlying vBulletin code as many here. I've implemented a few things on my own, but wanted to discuss optimization; I've looked at some of the PHP code and wanted to know where certain variables got their default vaules... you know, CODING DISCUSSIONS.
I've found vBulletin.org to be distinctly lacking in those kinds of discussions, and have often wondered why there wasn't an active coders section. Now I know why: there is, but because I haven't contributed a dubious hack/plugin, I'm barred from participation. That, in my opinion, is an awfully close-minded and ultimately self-defeating decision. I may not be the paragon of programming, so banning my participation might not be such a big loss to the community. However several other very expernienced programmers and vbulletin programmer/operators are similarly disqualified. What a shame. |
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It's not like you cannot gain access, all you have to do is create and release your own hacks and eventually you will gain your right to access that area.
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I'm afraid you misunderstand me. I can see that forum. In fact, I moderate similarly broad forums on www.daniweb.com, one of the foremost, most succesful forums and, btw, vbulletin implementations. (I find it ironic that Dani herself, a phenomenal PHP programmer and vBulletin coder, couldn't see the coder forum if she came here). I don't seek PHP/MySQL/JS/XHTML help. I seek discussions about authoring vbulletin plugins and modifications, and I wish to have those discussions with experienced PHP/vbulletin programmers.
One would think vbulletin.org would be the perfect place for such discussions, but apparently the mission statement has changed? If the purpose of vbulletin.org, however, is for plugin coders to dole out their plugins while they cloister together in a private little insular group, marginalizing everyone else, then I really don't see any reason to stay and participate. In fact, my participation is apparently NOT WANTED. Forum admin: please terminate/ban my account. |
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Thank you for re-affirming and validating my decision. If you represent the typical "Master Coder", in terms of quality of discussion, then I'm certainly not missing much.
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Looks like some people's egos are getting bruised.
If the forum name was "Code Contributors" and it was private, would you still be complaining? |
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Either release free code on the .org as such and move on or sell your wares and reap the profits if your code holds it's water. The attitude, that if I work hard doing free stuff I'm entitled to something, breeds contempt. I don't find it acceptable at all. Your posts may mean well, but they are in fact painting you into an elitest light. They are also encouraging crap work to be rushed to publish for the sake of this so called privledge and that serves the community in no way shape or form. Stop asserting your burden or stop releasing free code like I did. Trust me, if we start analysing this so called elitist code, things will be painted in a different light. This goes against the grain of the entire concept of .org. But it's not the first or only instance of such actions. My contributions have suffered and will contiue to be elsewhere while this club, formally know as vbulletin.org, get's it act together. It's amazing how people forget where they came from and then suddenly advise people to leave and shut the door behind them cause they've moved on to being smarter and can't be bothered anymore. Long live the little people, just not here. |
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I thought it was a "think tank area" where we could team up for some sweet mods. |
I wonder if that was my bad, as I did mention in a prior post that the Coders forum is a benefit/reward. I should have articulated a bit more what I meant by the reference. It is possible, however, that the concept of the forum has a different meaning to the members involved. *Sigh*
Speaking of which, where do Templaters fit into the scheme of things? :D |
Ok, no i don't really like the tone in here anymore. That thread is not here to post about each others ego.
I'll close this thread now. If any of you have problems with each other, use the pm system, but please don't do so in public.... |
I've kept out of the discussion but wanted to post a comment.
This Coders Discussion forum is a totally NEW forum created only a few weeks ago. If you are not a coder or have released a hack here, the fact that you cannot access this forum should make no difference to you, as it never existed in the first place. The mistake we made was to make it open in the first place, then made it private. We still have plenty of other forums for people who have not released hacks - this forum is merely a forum to make those who have contribute to the site feel a bit more "special". Is that so wrong? Since we have not made any changes to the CURRENT forums, I don't understand how anyone could say that this site has "changed its mission". |
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