*Stabs Sudoku*

Nan desu ka? :rambo:

Being both a professional designer and a coder here on vb.org, i can defend both sides.

When you first go to a site, no matter how good it works, you won't stay at it for more than 5 seconds unless it looks good. The design of a site shows everything from professionalism, to purpose, to how much you can trust the site.

Now, no matter how good the site looks, a user would not go back to it unless they have a reason to be there. This is where coding kicks in. Scripts and such coded by coders give users options and things to do at the site.

With that being said, you can't really compare a coder to a designer. However, i think it is safe to say that they are equal in importance.

Nicely put. I'll add a twist to what gio~logist said as well. I'll come from a designer's perspective. It's quite early in the morning (3:53am) so I hope this post will translate well. :)

vBulletin comes equipt with the necessary functions/features to run a successful forum. It takes the effort of the staff, members, content and the overall feel of the community that determines if the site/forum reaches its potential. Part of the feel, however, has to do with the design/layout.

I've had many users register and become members because of the site/forum design, which changes routinely over time. The majority of the compliments also involves the design. At least for a gaming site, changing the layout, modifying the colors and adding graphics do make a difference that sets the competition apart.

Additional modifications are there to enhance the users' experiences and functions of the site/forum. To be true, the design is also an enhancement. Neither of the two will make the site/forum successful; they're basically the icing to an already tasty cake. If the cake is bland to begin with, there's not much a modification or design can do.

Nice page now. Any way to can add to the stats installs? Like the top 3 users with the most people installing thiers hacks.