What gives you the right to tell a company that they must have their name associated with such things as Adult content and marijuana?

And who cares if they are super religous fantatics? You are someone who obviously doesn't care what your name is associated with and how people see you as a person.

That is still denying the use of their product on a site based on the content of the site. Period.

Well you are entitled to your interpretation of their licence agreement, while I will stick with "non-warez" sites ;)

And Brent - That's actually not true - If you could prove that your forum on a warez site was legal and did not allow discussion of warez topics, and was simply for a community and a general chatting board, they would be hard-pressed to find a legal reason to revoke the licence as the board itself does not break any of their laws...

And even if they did allow warez discussion, as long as links are removed and file-sharing not done via the board, they still can't shut it down - Talking about it isn't illegal...

Chris

Even with that the case these people still drive me nuts crying discrimmination while turning around and demanding that a company have it's name associated with things that go against their beliefs.

Has it gotten to a point in this country and this world where it is all about money now?

"I got 150 dollars, give me VBSEO. I don't care that you disagree with my content and do not wish to have your name associated with the likes of my content just give me my license now!"

Give me a break. That stuff pisses me off and that is another reason I defend them so much. I have great respect for someone that stands up for what they believe in and actually turns down 150 dollars multiple times to keep their promise to themselves.

I don't even oppose the use of Marijuana, in fact I push for it to become legalized, yet I feel the need to help someone defend themselves against people that wish to tear the company away from their beliefs just so they can have a piece of software.

I don't have that right. My opinion is any company who would would regulate their software like that are idiots. A potential client is going to search the net to find all the uses of their software, find a pot site, then go "oh no a pot site uses this software, golly jeez gosh I better not use it". Or maybe his potential wife is searching for her fiances uses of his software. "Oh his software is used at a pot site! Why I never would have imagined! I am breaking up with him." HAHAHAHA.

I don't find anything funny about this? I seriously doubt those are their concerns. They do not want their product associated with these sites whether or not people think this or not.

No one is an idiot here. You are the only one calling people names in this thread so if you are not interested in the software and have nothing constructive to add then don't post!

At the end of the day, yes, they will conduct business how they wish and that is that...

However there are some cases where their "Acceptable Use" policies are not exactly as clear-cut or "fair" (as if the Internet is anyway) as they could or should be...

Moral reasonings are, in my opinion, not a just ideal to base your business practise on - The point here is that cannabis is legal in some places in the World...

Yes, the World - vBulletin and vBSEO will and do have customers from a global market, not just from the states - And while you may argue about your constitutional rights blah de blah de blah, they don't apply to everyone everywhere, as evident in places such as The Netherlands...

While vBSEO have every right to disagree usage of their software for illegal sites, they should take into consideration the cultural deviations between the Americas and the rest of the world, and acknowledge that what's illegal for some isn't for others in some cases; They should be aware that such actions as denying service may be seen as a bad business move, but more importantly than business, is people's respect for a company...

Now I personally don't like the fact that vBSEO is closed source - The price tag, if it does what it claims to, is steep but probably worth it - However as a coder I like to dismantle what I have installed and while most of it would go over my head with vBSEO (.htaccess stuff, mostly gibberish to me) the PHP and/or database side of it, well, I like to know what my scripts are doing to my forum and site...

But aside from my personal concerns with the product, I seriously think that the vBSEO staff should re-think their policies in light of some of the points raised in this thread, moral, illegal or not...

Some people may take offence to being told that they can't have a site about growing and smoking certain substances when it is legal in their country to do so...

Chris

hahahahahahaha!! and hah! What if they are making a moral judgement...if you see it that way then it's your guilty concience. Bottom line is this...if it belongs to me, I have the right to say "I will not sell to you" for whatever reason I choose and it really is none of your business why I choose not to. If you think me an idiot, so be it...your opinion along with your money is not anything I need.

But "Chris M" does bring up a valid and good point though. People from countries were it legal would view vBSEO refusing them a license as a bit of a joke in there eyes. Because there outlook but be totally different, because to them it's legal. So maybe there AUP does need closer looking at to suit sites globally.

Actually that's not strictly true - If you don't give a reason you leave yourself open to the risk of a lawsuit due to someone believing your decision was based on a religious or racial act of discrimination...

So while you believe you can do what you want, there are limits to how much freedom you do have, especially as a business - If you aren't careful, not saying is almost as bad as actually saying...

Chris

Even more fuel for a "Branding-free" option of vBSEO - Their best course of action would be to change their AUP to include statements such as "Each case will be treated on an individual basis" and "Alternative avenues of progression may be taken if it is deemed that your site may not display an active vBSEO copyright"...

;)

Chris

Nobody wouldn't have to be concerned about having their name associated with anything if mostly everybody didn't insist on hijacking the vB footer and displaying their own name with a link back to their site :p

No but seriously. If I were to sell a hack and say that no Muslims are allowed to purchase and use my hack because I don't like how their religion treat women (which I don't, btw), that would have caused uproar and here in Norway I could be charged with racism.
Its the same deal, yet anyone who can defend the denial of purchase based on religion is hereby dared to do that in a country with racism laws :p

Well, that may very well be true, but I do believe that I have more to worry about from the rippers out there than from someone hauling me into court for refusing to sell them a $20 skin. Don't get me wrong, I treat everyone who comes to my site with respect and appreciation and don't just blow them off. So far, anytime I've run into this situation it has been handled amiacably for both parties.

You bring up a good point Revan...

I'm unsure if vBSEO are aware of this religion, but what about Cantheism?

Surely denying Cantheists a licence could constitute as religious descrimination...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantheism

Chris

Hey, have you noticed you forum board called "Hellsatan" has been suspended

Actually it isn't over priced :) It does what I want and the price is fair for me. So to me it isn't over priced.

We can go back and forth all you want. I'm glad you can afford it but the majority can not.

Yes that is all great and all but where does the Companies rights go? Do they just vanish in the name of money?

Where do we draw the line?

A lot of people say vBulletin is overpriced too. Everyone has their own opinion.

No, Loco.M is the only opinion that matters in this thread. He laughs at us remember! He laughs at us because we are happy with the product we paid for! Amazing huh!

I think quite a lot of people think it's overpriced because of the very few files it uses compared to vBulletin. Yet it's priced around the same as vB. I know that doesn't account for the amount of man hours he may have put into re-searching it etc.

But my guess is that's a main reason why many people think it's overpriced. When you could also compare it to the likes of vBGallery before it was taken over which used many more files than vBSEO and was a much bigger product overall and cheaper.

That's why I personally think it's overpriced. I don't really see how vBSEO can demand a price the same as vBulletin which it needs to even function.

You really like to beat a dead horse dont you.

I love how you blatantly ignore valid points and keep spewing that same phrase (reworded or otherwise).

I agree - although - I also wonder to myself who they think they are - the morality police for forums?

So let them be it. It is their software. I wonder alot of things to myself about you and your site too. I keep 90% of them to myself though.

I am not in this for any gain. I run a Ford Mustang website that has nothing to do with software, vbulletin, or anything else that can bring me gain from all this wonderful exposure I am getting from defending them. What I do get is my opinion expressed and my thoughts out just like the people that want to hang VBSEO.

The fact that they responded to this thread and hardly anyone... if anyone.... has responded to them directly speaks mounds of words.

I have valid points too that go unanswered.

Where do we draw the line with the companies rights and the consumers rights. I never disagreed that some religions accept marijuana into it. I never disagreed on any of that. So your right. What I want to know is where you draw the line.

Love me or hate me I could careless. This is the internet, I am arguing my points and my side just like you. If anything you are doing just as much ignoring as me.

Tell me where we draw the line on a company's name being associated with something that many people in the United States, his country, find degrading and problematic to their society

kthxbye

and you really like coming after me the most in this thread don't you ;)

All I see you doing in this thread is questioning why I am defending them, even after I have explained why in the other two threads.

Actions speak louder then words my friend. You post in every thread related to this subject non stop however I dont see you posting much in other threads. Seems like you have a vested interest in vbseo. Nobody likes lapdogs.;)

Please read what I just posted and tell me how the hell I gain anything from this. I am no one's lapdog and I take offense to that! I do not appreciate that comment ok!

If I was you, I would take offense too. Must suck when someone points out the obvious.

Are you kidding me? Leave this thread or take this to PM's if all you are going to do is attack me.

Please tell me how I am a lapdog. I use the product. I defend the product I use because I like it.

I'm sorry if you do not like this but it is not your place to tell me what I am in this thread. You want to tell me what I am then tell me what I am via pm and I will tell you exactly what you are.

You dont just like the product you troll the product. Your pm box is not worthy of recieving one from me. :tired:

You troll me and my posts in this thread. See your quote: Are you done attacking me in this thread are you got something else to say about me?

Lets do something about that then shall we.
From what a mind operating at 3 AM can think of, I'd say right around the part where what a user does with a commodity should be none of the sellers concern.
For instance, when you buy a licence along with a gun, the owner of the gun shop don't ask you if you plan to kill someone with it. That licence serves as a way for the police to track you down should you choose to perform illegal actions with the gun.
Similar with the software. The licence along with your personal information can be handed over to the authorities should you choose to use it for illegal purposes.
If someone has problems with shooting animals, they don't work in a hunters store.
If someone has problems with smoking (cigs), you don't work in a tobacco store.
If someone has problems with how their buyers use their products, don't make the product.
Therefore it is idiotic to disallow someone to purchase a script just as much as it is idiotic to refuse to sell someone a gun because you don't want your gun store's name associated with murder.
Above.
More power to you then.
This post should change this then shouldnt it ^^
Oh yes, it's all about the US aint it. The World Police. Give me a break...
O RLY? KNP^^


My advice to future buyers of vBSEO: Ally yourself with a friend running a "clean" forum, and give this as your Forum Url when buying the script. After you have the script, you can change the url for it.
If there proves to be some check in the code that makes the script not function if the owner of vBSEO presses a button, then I will do everything in my power to decode the script and after learning the inner workings, code my own version, which will be available to not only Puritans but cannabis smokers and Muslims.

Muhahaha!

Attacking you huh? Did I hit you with a vbseo rolled up newspaper or something?

Please everyone, I can't see why people can't act maturely when a topic like this arises. If your not going to discuss this like responsible and intelligent people, then don't participate in the discussion. The thread will be closed if it continues to go down this path.

Can I get a interweb pr0n king version?

The thread should of been closed a long time ago... :rolleyes:

Are you kidding me.... that is not even in the same ballpark. This is about having his software and his business name associated with pornography for instance.

There is no ifs in this case. There is no chance that it might be used for pornography. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BUYING THE SCRIPT IS FOR A PORN SITE.

He lives in the US. So yes the majority of his concern is the US. In his home country where he lives it is looked down by the majority of the United States citizens to be associated with pornography and marijuana use. Like it or not this is how it is in his Home country. Not Germany not France.

Apparently you are not done. What are you adding to this thread other than useless bullshit posts to me

Common people, have a civilized conversation for once. If you can't, then take it somewhere other than a Jelsoft server.

At my request due to my ISP being, er, not up to par :p

However I co-own the server so I could unsuspend it - I'd then just get comments or emails about not replying to questions :p

Chris