yeah xiphoid, you are right... i totally agree. CYAZ !!!

I like the idea of keeping the non-licensed members limited very much. *nods* Less hassles and headaches. And, hopefully, less pirating. Pre-sales forum is definately the way to go.

One question, non-licensed members can't vote and see in here, can they? ;) Might skew the poll a bit.

yes

good idea. get rid of the non-licensed users! BUY vB damnit. :)

I think this is silly, what about the people who can't afford vb? the internet is all about sharing information for free, how many of you have accesed plenty of free things on the internet that you hav used for your own personnal benefit, i agree vb should charge for their board, but maybe shouldn't e so tight on the old restrictions, otherwise 1 day everything u do, u will hav to pay for, u r just helping rich companies get richer, and poor people get poorer. then again i spose most people with illegal copies of vb wont be that bothered about hacking it, but warez makes the web turn. did u pay for the explorer ur viewing this with? or the ukebox u r listening to ur mp3s on? or ur mp3s u got playin?

I agree with this. This forum was an extremely strong selling point for me with vBulletin. Be careful about limiting them TOO much.

I didn't pay for the Internet Explorer I'm using for one simple reason -- it doesn't cost money and it's free for all to use. I did pay for my computer, my graphics card, my sound card, my monitor, my radio, my mouse, my keyboard, my scanner, my cellphone, my microphone, my camera, my chair, and my vBulletin, because all of these cost money -- and getting it for free is illegal and just like stealing candy from a kiosk.

but those are all material things, and wasnt built specifically for the internet, how can we as humans advance in anything if we keep charging for it, if companies wasnt so greedy we would have ultra fast mental quantum computers that download things in no time, but everyone just wants to make money, you are just helping these people.

ill also add, like any other company if vb start making descent money their next board vb3 will not be as advanced as you would of hoped, because they would wanna cut costs and get it out as quick as possible i.e. ubb. soon another board will come along, that will be more advanced and cheaper, i think phpbb is looking very impressive and its free, do you see the point im tyring to make? by making vb more money, by trying to stop the warez, you are just pushing future vb hackers into cheaper things i.e. phpbb, lets face it, your a very clever person, but there are cleverer people out there than you, and they are young, and still learning, im 18, how am i supposed to learn how to hack a board, and learn php if everyong is trying to charge me all the time? i just wanna learn, for my own benefit.

Lazerus, your arguements are all well and good but if someone has enough money to pay for the server required to host VB, then they should have enough money to purchase the board. 2 - 3 months of server costs is all it would take really.

Also - if your only interest is in VB is educational - then you might be better off reviewing the open souce code available on the net.