I'm just going to leave this here because I did not say either one of these things. These are both misquotes out of context.

This is what I said:

You put words in my mouth and then claimed I lied.

Of course not. I'm not putting anything into your mouth (or fingers to be more precise).

I just follow your claims made in this thread here. You stated this:

That's where I started and corrected you. After that, you make claim after claim that shows how little you know, how biased (and wrongly at that) you are.

Now you try to get my words out of context to shame me. But, you're the one who forgets this is forum, we can check everything you have "put in your mouth yourself" to use your phrase, and what I wrote back.

So, VPS and other servers can and will run vB3/4 forums in years to come, if there's people who want to run them on these publicly available hosting.

Shame on you for trying such low tactics, but more shame on you for your gross lack of knowledge in general. Or maybe it isn't lack of knowledge, but something else...

Anyway, to just conclude for other interested parties, if there's need to run vB3/4 forums in years to come, it is possible and it will be possible.

Saying this, I'm not persuading anyone to actually run any particular forum software. Let everyone of us choose what they want. But not just lie to people (or tell something that is not true out of lack of knowledge).

In this one thread let's agree to disagree and leave it at that! I hate to see you two argue or comment like this whatever you may deem to call it, I truly do and I'd like to leave the thread up for constructive feedback.

I would break down the replies and try to be as unbiased as possible and try to help understand this more but that's not my place nor my prerogative only closing the thread is once it becomes out of hand per say reply-wise. I'll leave it up to good judgement and speaking to each other moving forward with some moderation of respect.

"We all float down here" - IT

Glenn is simply a ROCK STAR vB5 mod-wise in my book, my definition meaning he's committed!

The DBTech statement might be untrue in a sense, I don't know though as I don't read any publications by them anymore after the indictments and them being brought up on charges hence why if you didn't know of this then you wouldn't consider that when making that statement, I would go further into that but you can use Google to learn of that if you feel the need - there will be no discussion of those events (specific details) on this forum other than my tidbit of info just now provided which is intended to allow you to know of something that occurred, to research if you see fit and make your own judgment/assumption on the matter. Alternatively it could be due to Xenforo having a paid mod area, developers who can post there and the simple lack of that here on the org i.e. what I mean is on vBulletin they didn't have as much competition as they do on Xenforo modification and plugin-wise but I'm unsure of IPB currently or rather Invision Community so I can't even comment there.

I'm taking the liberty of assuming you're referring to the child pornography cases against both Iain and Fillip. While that's a good reason not to do business with them they abandoned their vBulletin customers prior to those charges. I'm not going to ask if they abandoned their customers before or after they became paedophiles since apparently at least some of the material they possessed was dating back to 2007.

Quite frankly I think more people should be aware of this because they would see a lot less business if people knew about it.

But the problem is, users like me still want to pay for vBulletin 4, at least buy "extra support" if it is still supported.


Honestly I applied this by hiring some developers to fix some issues on addons when upgrade to PHP 7.x and vB4.2.5 but if there are more people pay for a person to support vB then all community will be supported than just me. I think that will be better to add funds together.

It's also possible to run DOS 2.0 but why would you want to? There's a point at which all software becomes obsolete. vBulletin 4.x is approaching ten years old. vBulletin 3.x was initially released in 2004. Yes, it's technically correct that you can run outdated software, and, yes, you can always find some hosting somewhere that will support virtually anything, especially if you're willing to spend the additional money for self-managed hosting and have the time to spend learning how to self-manage a server. Most people don't have the time even if they have the money. You can't reasonably build a community if you're spending all your time in the back end or server.

Giving people advice to use outdated software that requires more than following the manual instructions is poor practice. What happens when it is no longer possible to run outdated software? Especially after it's been so heavily modified to work that it cannot be updated using the script provided.

I'm not going to go ad hominem here because it's unhelpful to anyone. I just think the advice to use ten or fifteen year old software and modifications or add ons because it can still be made to work, security holes and all, is not sound advice.

This is how you try make your "arguments" true, but thing is, you stated something completely different: People wouldn't be able to run vB3/4 on publicly available servers.

I didn't try to make argument that people want to use vB3/4, I stated that people will be able to run vB3/4 if they want to.

If people want to, or not, I don't try to argue. It's up to each and every one of us.

You really don't even know what you're talking yourself. :down: