What they need to do is listen to the community, I mean look at IP.Board, it seems so much more organized over there.

Of course you can't blame things directly on the developers, people above them may be pulling the strings which could be extremely frustrating to the developers. (I've been in situations like that before myself)

vB4.2.3 is quite good.
vB5 does not even have feature parity.
vB5 nice ideas very poorly done.
vB5 is not a way forward for us at this time

Kym

NP.

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This would be a very short thread if it stayed exactly on topic.

A little more flexibility is allowed in the non technical areas, esp if its not going downhill.

Ah, but one could argue that going downhill is definitely on topic in this thread ;)

I hope they buy xenforo and called it vb6.

Big company can buy anything. Macromedia - Adobe. Google -Youtube

I don't. XenForo doesn't suit everyone. It fits its market well, but that market isn't a good fit for every site.

Forum software generally needs to head somewhere different. None of the current systems - including XenForo - do anything other than tweak what is now a decades-old concept. There's nothing truly innovative in any of them.

The trouble is, what do you do? vB5 actually did try to innovate quite a bit (whatever people may think of the actual execution of that), but a lot of the changes got reversed during the early alphas because they were universally disliked. Now, a lot of the developmental focus seems to be on making it more like vB4 and vB3 rather than adding anything truly innovative, because that's what customers are demanding.

So the problem you have is - change stuff too much and existing forum owners will run a mile.
Keep things as they are and the market continues to stagnate as the general public seem to prefer nonsense like Facebook and Twitter.

I don't profess to know the way forward.

So they can ruin it, just like they ruined vB when they bought Jelsoft?

If you want to use xenForo, just buy it and use it. No need for IB to get involved and spoil it for everyone.

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And with good cause. Change for change's sake serves no one, and especially so if it's only half thought through, without concept and technically half-baked.

Is it really so surprising that people who run a forum want a software that offers a working forum solution? And, be honest, people did not dislike vB5 because it tried to be innovative, but because it was slow, buggy as hell and missing half the features they were used to. Blaming the vB5 desaster on ignorant customers won't change that.

Offer working and maintained integration with social media for those who want to use it. Make it optional for those who won't.

But whatever you do, offer good quality software. That's the point. And honestly, this is not going to happen with IB.

I am very happy to read this topic and intelligent discussion. And even happier to know that "listen to us."

Who is listening to what?

Administration