Again ladies and gentleman, lets act like adults and keep on track with the original post please. :)

Sigh oh well what can I say it's is about VB so yeah I am sorry that I am one of the very few that seem to think that VB is in a bit of trouble, but then I suppose that is just my humble opinion really.

I'm a vB member/customer not xenforo but doesn't mean I don't like xenforo.
But been following it for many years now as vB has had its day really.

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Which was? vB has had it's day? ;)
i still love you though ozzy:p

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It's not though, ;) aas per this Thread and the OP
Many have had enough, including a lot of the vB mod developers.

It's only natural that most of the people switching are coming from VB because VB is the most used forum package out there. Everything is relative. If you asked new Apple computer buyers what their last computer ran if it was not an Apple, chances are that the vast majority of people would say that it was a Windows based system. If you get a 95% rating on that question, you may want to attempt to say that the majority of Windows users were switching to Apple. But you'd be wrong.

One thing XF have going for them is a significantly lower price which could make a difference for people on a limited budget who want to start a forum or those using a much older version of VB who want to upgrade.

The price is not really that much lower if you add up the options you need like the search and the resource manager. These are basically built into Vbulletin.

Now Can we please stop talking about xf? That was not the purpose of this thread at all. It is like comparing a Classic Corvette to an old Ford Pinto(I used to have one of these).

#Now back op topic - I am happy for the most part with Vb4.2.2 but surely will not spend money on Vb5 or encourage anyone else to do so until it is out of beta. It may not be labelsed beta but it sure seems that way to me.

I was very upset about the license change that happened right after the ownership change and I do believe Jesloft was much better for all of us but I still believe at this time VB is tops and there is nothing better.

As far as Vb being in trouble goes, while certain things may have declined I do not think this software is even close to being in trouble when there is nothing else out there that comes close.

Just my opinions on this matter for what ever that is worth.

Well talking about it does follow the timeline of this discussion in a sense i.e. vB4 was still going when they started Xenforo, it was going well during vB5's release and such so it is related to this thread in one way or another.

I don't care if you bring it up so long as it follows the topic, "My New Thoughts on vBulletin" and surely some of ANYONE'S new thoughts about vBulletin could stem from using xenforo in the past correct? Bingo! The issue with threads like this that keep getting closed is when all of you start making it personal and calling out people under your breathe or directly, you can have a valid point without doing that. When I start to see that bickering/snide type of replies between a few of you I close the thread, it's that simple to me i.e. play nice or don't play at all :p.

While it may related in a way we do not need another VB VS XF thread. If we agree going that route we may as well discuss all the other forum scripts out there. Some of the ones are not really bad either and may also get a share of Vb customers, perhaps more then xf.

In my opinion xf just does not seem relevant. The fact that a single pole shows 56 people using xf from VB means nothing. If that pole was 5600 then I may be a little interested in it but even then it would not necessarily mean anything.

VB is still the best and has the best support communities anywhere. :up:

Should we write an online petition and sign it for IB? http://www.change.org/ , http://www.change.org/petition

We need complaints to grasp their attention, after all, no business company likes to see complaints about their company, complaints = bad reputation for future businesses and lack of responsibilities.

So instead of making threads and topics about VB on VB which i think gets no where, we should really start contacting IB and drafting a legit petition and to be signed by many.

http://www.internetbrands.com/
http://www.internetbrands.com/contact-us/

Their twitter may be ? https://twitter.com/INETtweets

Their management team ? http://www.internetbrands.com/the-co...anagement.html

Robert N. Brisco
Chief Executive Officer

Scott A. Friedman
Chief Financial Officer

Chuck Hoover
Chief Marketing Officer

Contact vBulletin: http://static.ibsrv.net/ibsite/pdf/2...ges%20Beta.pdf
Joe Ewaskiw
vBulletin / Internet Brands, Inc.
310-280-4539
joe.ewaskiw@internetbrands.com

To me vB5 is not relevant, should not even be considered vB5 and should be thrown in the trash and burnt to a crisp and if we must burn the whole building down to be rid of it then I'd be up for that too :p. It's just not up to par and today alone I've already seen 2+ new threads/posts regarding the "lack-there-of" many already knew existed in 5.

We honestly don't care if you discuss Invision Power Board, Xenforo, Burning Boards, or even ProBoards (one of the current competitors to the new vBulletin Cloud based hosting) so long as the discussion takes place in the proper forum and remains inline with the discussion. Compare away, you're all free to discuss things here just be respectful to each other is all I'm asking and try not to derail the thread topic toooooo much as we don't want this to become a xen vs vB thread only because those already exist however the discussion of other software is a major factor when deciding your current "thoughts" on vBulletin imo.

VB5...??? This was the most horrible version of vBulletin that i''ve ever seen. i have designed many vb4 free templates and i loved to work on vb4 platform.. but i did not develop any single style for vb5 and i have not even checked its admincp or any vb5 style available at vb.org..
vBulletin should have continued with VB4