I guess it isn't if you're one of those webmasters who has a cookie-cutter vbulletin website... one of those sites that you recognize as OOB software the second you hit the index page... or one of those who doesn't care about such petty things like... mobile devices and how they lord over desktop browsers today.

Newsflash: It's not 2006 anymore!

At this rate, vBulletin will be dead in less than five years anyway. Xenforo and its awesomeness is quickly gaining popularity by knowing how to properly develop software that isn't obsolete.

This site is a working and information sharing area, it's not intended to be pretty.

Have you tried it with your mobile browser?

yes... iOS 7 and its horrible. Xenforo, on the other hand, looks beautiful on any device.

I'm assuming you only have a couple years of vB history, by your join date. Back in the day, things were on the right track when vB was still run by its founders: Jelsoft. Those were the good days.

Part of the allure of any OOB software is its customer base and support system. Thus, this site is supposed to represent vBulletin. It should operate itself accordingly.

That is a very incorrect assumption. I am a vB license holder and webmaster going all the way back to 2003.

And yes the old vBulletin is gone and I have refused to ever use anything past version 3.8.8, and I never will. If ever I was going to put up a new board it very likely would be from xenforo. So as you can see your points are well received from me and considered valid.

But of course, all of this is academic to the discussion of vbulletin dot org's needs and preferences. Personally I would hate to see them "upgrade" to vB version 4 or 5.

Wouldn't you?

I think predictions of vB's demise are way premature. As I've said, I like xF, too. But I think it's going to be a few years before it's quite as feature rich as vB has been. Not to mention, it's a different animal, really. It offers something different, and will need to survive the anti-vB crowd that dominates it's support forums, before it grows into something more. And as we've already pointed out, what's practical isn't always what everybody thinks vB.org should do. It's not a flip of the switch, or a week worth of work thing. That's what they keep trying to tell us.

I do agree that vB.org needs a mobile skin, though. I thought about offering the one I've been developing for vB 3, but I doubt they'd be too keen on using anything third-party developed. For good reason. Not to mention, who knows if some of the core modifications the site uses even relies on templates.

You can offer it to me, it is desperately needed and I like being a beta tester.

that's a good point of view too.

I don't understand why anybody would want to view this site on a mobile device when the main thing users want to do is download or get help on an issue. Why would you download a modification on your phone or read about help for your site on a phone? I would never install a modification using a mobile device and I certainly wouldn't edit anything on my site with my phone.

Many sites, yes, they should be mobile friendly. But, I honestly don't think this site needs to be anymore mobile friendly than it is.

That's a good point. :)

For most, that's correct, but I (and others like me) who have a customer base here do a ton of communicating via PM here. That's where the hard part is for us.