I had a dream last that vB.org upgraded to vB5 and I had no idea how browse around or do things. NIGHTMARE!!!

Well- it's certainly nice knowing others have similar opinion. I was totally starting to think that I'm all alone in my insane mode of thought :eek: LOL --- anyway we can agree to disagree, but honestly - I'd love to see at least the style of vB.org be upgraded. It'll be interesting to see when an upgrade does finally happen...if ever.

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Seems like common sense. vB.org isn't upgrading because it's too complicated to upgrade? Seriously?

That appears horribly ironic to me.

Any updated version is supposed to be BETTER!

I have checked around and seen the comments by those Clients who have input on this matter, They have NOT been impressive to say the least.
I have been amused to see those who in some way work for Vb, posting in support of V5, like a dying man clutching at straws. (not necessary if the product is a good one)

Vb expects people to purchase their products and "improvements" and this is right, but it is also an obligation of VB to offer a FINISHED product that works.

One main question= Why release a product that is NOT ready for the market to use, What is the reason for the haste to get an unworkable product out before it is suitable for VB clients to use?

I can understand the hard work that has gone in o v5 and the hopes that are riding on it, Therefore it would make sense to release it in a stable form.

I recently upgraded from v3 to v4 as it was a workable product and I did not mind paying for a version that works.

But I have grave doubts about the wisdom of expecting clients to pay for V5 until it is at the very least a viable proposition.

The IMG BB code is deprecated in vB5 ... :mad:

Money.
And it's really shameless. Horrid and shameless!

And one of the oddest things EVER!:mad:

This is a valid enough question and there are those who think VB5 should have been kept under lock and key until it was super-awesome and show everyone the finished product only, whenever that may be.

HOWEVER there were an equal number of people on the other side who wanted to see VB5 as soon as possible so they will have some clue what the future holds and so mod developers can begin working so they have a chance of having popular mods ported by the time VB5 goes gold.

There were also many people who said they would not buy a VB4 license because they "knew" VB5 was around the corner. Now that we sell VB5 licenses they people can buy a VB5 license and will always be able to upgrade to VB5 for free, and they can still run the 4.x suite in the mean time, and for less money then it would have cost them last month.

So while I understand your logic and your opinion, please understand there are good points raised on both sides of the argument.

As for [IMG] BBCode it works just fine for me on the demo board. :confused:

BirdOPrey5, I did not say that the IMG bb code does not work on vB5. I said that IMG BB code is deprecated in vB5 along with all other BB codes.

I understand that vBulletin Solutions are trying to make vB5 like a social-networking/forum hybrid. Because of this the use of all BB codes, particular those which dont look good in the "Latest activity" stream is being discouraged.

- You can still manually type the IMG bb codes but there is no 'Insert Image' button to easily insert them. Most general forum users use the button and dont manually type the [IMG] BB code. The reason for this buttons removal I believe is because images dont look good in the Latest Activity stream and people are being encouraged to use the lightbox which generates thumbnails and looks nice in the Latest Activity stream.

The code will still work but they dont want you to use it because it will spoil the showpiece 'Latest Activity' stream. While this may be ok in a demo forum, I think in a real forum the effect of this is that the number of images being posted will go down dramatically. Over time this will affect the quality of conversation as well.

- Along with that automatic parsing of links in text has been removed. Now you cant just post URL links, you have to do it via the insert link button so that the thumbnail makes it look nice in the Latest Activity stream.

- Switch Editor button to work in BB code view has been removed.

- Video BB code has been removed and the size of the video is greatly reduced so that it fits in the Latest activity stream.

- There is no indication or guide of any BB codes on vB5. The new people should never find out what this BB code thing is all about so over times use of BB codes will die out.

The BB codes are only things seem to have been dumbed down. There are numerous such regressions all over. I think this is being done because they want vB5 to be more like a social networking site and less like a traditional forum.

It is what it is.

I dont want to see this place upgrade to vB5, it really won't offer anything thats not already here. Why do all that work, just to say it's on the latest version?

I don't know that much of what you mentioned as legitimate issues are due to anything more than being an early beta version. For example the insert image button is due to come back in future beta, I hope it all will: http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-1958