Right. As I understand it, if you buy vB5 new, you get access to vB4 Suite since they know vB5 isn't ready. You're allowed one live site and one test installation of either. But right now, vB5 is only good for a test installation. So basically you're buying vB4 for a live site (again at a great value), and you can use either for a test installation.

If you're doing an upgrade... well you save 40 bucks (still paying ~ $200) and essentially what you get is a test version of vB5 (with the hope it will get better down the line) since you're likely already using vB4 on your live site.

I suppose if you're currently running vB3 and looking to upgrade to vB4, buying the vB5 upgrade is a good deal.

Don't really follow you here. If support for what is dropped? If people need support for their software and it's not available, then they're likely to go to another software vendor.

If i read that the coding for vb5 mods are different......................
So a vb4 user who upgrade to vb5 wil have a lot of problems. :(

Even i think that vb is missing there goal to the vb4 users.
I'm not talking about the &^% price for this group.
Buth more about the terrible demo who is displaying the new vb5.
And the talking of about a couple of months that vb5 realy wil be working.

Nothing saying that the cms is stil not compleet. :p
And the service for 30 days after vb5 wil be official.
and.......
and.........etcetera

If you tel it on vb.com, zachery wil delete negative postings from users.
So in my eyes, vb is not any more a community for there paying users!

your signature is offense and should be removed

any mods to deal with this person signature please

I am not offended.

the against VB's signature rules
its discouraging people to buy licenses


i cant simple say in my signature don't buy this don't buy that, its a signature violation

A member should be allowed to offer his or her opinion as long as it is not directed towards a particular member.

After reading the reviews and opinions of others, surely a member is entitled to post their opinion, or is this forum going to be a dictatorship?

I was under the impression that this forum was FOR Vbulletin clients to openly discuss Vb mods and related issues.

Would it be a violation if someone said to BUY v5? or is it only a violation if some one says NOT to buy v5?

I am not offended either by an honest opinion.

The only thing you can be sure of is that the person offering advice in his signature did not do it themselves- had they managed to get their payapal transaction reversed their existing licenses would be invalidated and they wouldn't be posting as a licensed user here.

Perhaps the poster knows the advice he is giving in his signature sounds good but realizes it is bad advice.

I understand customer frustration about the bugs in VB5 Beta but many people wanted to see what vBulletin was going to be about, and now they can and they can get their opinions heard earlier than if VB5 was not released on Beta.

What I truly do not understand are people upset about the cost. VB5 Connect is cheaper than VB4 Suite used to be, AND you get access to VB4 Suite if you prefer it. With all the current discounts it is A LOT cheaper.

If you already are a VB4 license holder no one is forcing you to upgrade, you will be able to use vBulletin 4 for years without problems... You will get what you paid for out of it. This very site uses vBulletin 3.6.12 and is not alone, no one is forced to upgrade VB versions.

I value your opinion, Joe, and I do agree with most of what you've said. I think the only delimma is for existing vB4 license holders that would like to test out the upgrade but have no need for a second vB4 license.

What would be the value of vB5 Beta if it didn't include the option to run vB4?

If you have no desire to upgrade to VB5 immediately and you already own VB4 there is probably no reason you should run out and buy VB5. You can use the official demo to play around with the front end and eventually we'll have back end demos up again for people who want to test it as an admin. The only reason to upgrade now is to save $25- that is a business decision you need to make.

Like i said early its my opinion and its a advice to them who already paid for vb5 but getting terrible fuc*kd about the troubles and more.

From you i don't may used it in my siggie, but you are trying to asking others to reject them to me.
what's worse? :rolleyes:

And i'm still standing behind my opinion and siggie. And even you are not changing my mind about it. You dont like my opinion and siggie? Just puth me on ignore and help some one else. :cool: