HTML isn't really considered a coding language these days since grade school kids can do it... We reviewed it for like a half hour is all when I went to school for Computer Science... LOL

Also most programmers aren't really great designers, and most designers are great programmers.
Sometimes you'll find a person that can do both really well, but generally in my experience, one or the other will be the strong skill.

Yes I kind of agree with LocoM , hes got a point , im not a great Developers ( programmer ) but i can do some php ,html javas, just not that great at it , i consider myself more of a designer.. but we all have our strong skills , so its great when the two combine to create awesome websites

i'm a horrible designer, i hate design, i can't imagine a good look for sites... but if you need someone to put your design into html/php to show it on a webpage, please, do not ask a designer... most of them does not even know CSS exists. they use Golive/Dreamweaver to design their site based on their image, and that always give crap.

the web is more and more precise in requests and protocols, more complexe in compliances... someone have to do the design, someone the html, someone the php... if only one person do it, verify the references, the other results, the portfolio, and more important, check what you have in hands afterward... a lot of guys will do quick jobs to be paid without checking if the site is seo or compliant, because most clients does not care, they want eye-candy stuff...

I put the fact I'm a vbulletin.org Coder/Designer on my resume.

well I just seen the vb and they r runing very well I think !

Not sure why anyone agreed with you. Your post didn't make much sense in relation to what I said. How hard is it to answer a paid request and state what you can do and how much you can do it for? People don't answer because the only people reading the paid request forum are the programmers who answer the 10 bucks threads and do minor jobs for n00bs, or at least that's the way it seems.

Where do you find the REAL php programmers who do vbulletin work? Because it's obviously not here and I'm not the only person complaining about it.

you can't understand why everybody agree with me because you're on the other side of the fence... sure my post is non-sense to you, because you live life on your own way, you are have a narrowed point of view... one our side, coders/developers, we have the possibility to see a lot of other views that you as a client never think of, because you do not need to - and it's ok, don't mind me, i just say you don't need to, that does not mean you are stupid.

real programmers for vBulletin?... there are quite a few if you search on google... the only reason why you see no real sense of serious business regarding it is that vBulletin is one of the only commercial product on the internet to not have a commercial directory of coders ... we have no right to advertise, the company refuse strictly to advertise any third party coder/developer, and the company refuse to let their coders do any external work outside the shell...

so the client has to handle search and tests about any coder they would hire, on their own... how pathetic, but that's life... clients could say they can choose another software, some of them do, as you can see by visiting invisionpower's community... -- which has a commercial directory of developers btw...

No you're wrong. I completely understand the point you're trying to make but your comment had ZERO to do with my post that you were quoting. You basically went off on a tangent in regards to a loosely related subject but ultimately completely missed my point.

Which goes back to my original comment that there is a lack of them here. The rest of your post is another tangent. You seem to be complaining about vBulletin and how they handle the mod community and I'm sure many would agree with you, including me, but go start another thread to complain about that. This topic was about a) where to find vbulletin coders for contract work and b) A general complaint about the coders on this forum wasting the clients time and the only "programmers" who use the paid request section being n00bs who can only handle simple low-pay jobs for other n00bs who can't install mods.

hmmm - In my estimation the original question/concern has been answered.
You asked, "Where can we find vbulletin coders / developers ?"

Marco said, "On vBulletin.org the only place for paid work is in the Paid Requests forum. There might be other website, some not vBulletin specific, where you can post such requests."

Brandon went on to suggest, "Might try searching on Google... There are several freelance since that are swarming with programmers looking for work."

And Nexia explained one reasoning of why you'd received only a few responses to your paid requests. And he explained quite succinctly imo.

Makes for an interesting read if you ask me...

But as far as filing a "complaint about coders on this forum wasting the clients time..." That's the nature of any business proposition = You seek a consultant to take the job - and during that process you might spend time talking/chatting with several possible candidates. Obviously - Not all of them will be able to handle your request. But you've got to seek before you can find. And it's not a waste of time but simply the nature of finding the correct freelancer for your project.

Such a complaint truly has no merit, nowhere to go here at vB.org, as their policy is law (as Nexia noted) and it's quite imperfect. I'd imagine there are no plans in the works to change said policy LOL

Jacquii.