Originally Posted by Inferno Tech (Post 1367618)

We even had an extremely prominent staff member say he was having some problems, and ask if he should post for help, or just not bother and uninstall it! This is meant to be an advanced coder, who won't even take the time to debug errors he is having, instead threatening to uninstall unless someone does it for him.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Members cannot come up with a never ending supply of new ideas. Most of the requests I read these days are either for very obscure custom features that would almost only be of use to the requestor - or are for massive changes that would take someone a great deal of time and effort to write.

Originally Posted by Inferno Tech (Post 1367618)

VB.orgs problem is the community of non-coders. They have got no respect, and expect everything for nothing. In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version. Even though those people just got a mod *For Free* They still feel like they have the right to insult and have a go at the coders.

Originally Posted by Ziki (Post 1367688)

Here is my answer to this thread:

1.Money moves->when we make a good hack we want to sell it because money is important nowdays
2.Free = Theft ->Many hacks get stolen,or republished without permission.I found a couple of mine on other websites which I didn't give permission to
3.Ideas ->It is very hard to come up with unique ideas all the time
4.Time -> coding takes time
5.Skills -> often I can't code what somebody requests

Yeah basically what I wanted to say Paul.

Originally Posted by Andrew Green (Post 1367652)

You do have a point there, used to be you had to know a little bit about php in order to install modifications. Now its easy, anyone can do it, leads to a bigger group with less ability to troubleshoot.

Originally Posted by Inferno Tech (Post 1367618)

My two cents are this: Whenever you release a free mod on vb.org it seems some people suddenly think they "own" you, and demand 24/7 support. If you dare not to give this they make a scathing "uninstall" post, and god help you if you release a paid version of the mod as well, because then apparently you are insulting them in some way by giving them something for free, just because they have to *shock horror* pay for a better version.

VB.orgs problem is the community of non-coders. They have got no respect, and expect everything for nothing. In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version. Even though those people just got a mod *For Free* They still feel like they have the right to insult and have a go at the coders.

We even had an extremely prominent staff member say he was having some problems, and ask if he should post for help, or just not bother and uninstall it! This is meant to be an advanced coder, who won't even take the time to debug errors he is having, instead threatening to uninstall unless someone does it for him. This kind of attitude, where if someone else doesnt fix your problem you're going to make an "uninstall" post is ridiculous - especially from other coders.

If you want to know why vb.org isnt as active - there are the reasons. I know of more than one coder who has left because of this kind of attitude.

Originally Posted by cheat-master30 (Post 1367704)

1. Some people will always put the interests of others and free things before payment. The same that refuse advertisements, paid memberships and paid content.

2. Stuff like that gets stolen regardless of if it's paid or free. Otherwise you wouldn't see so much paid software pirated and released on warez and torrent sites.

3. Fair enough. Although if anyone wants new ideas... I could write a very long list of things not released yet that I currently don't have the ability to release.

4. Fair enough.

5. Same here



Don't see no big difference. Checked in the install file of a vBulletin version 2 mod and it did still say to find this piece of code and add/delete/replace with this new piece of code. Same kind of thing as template edits; and most major modifications require either template or file mods.



Some people will always have little or no respect for anyone else. But these people are NEVER the majority on a website or forum. The majority who try modifications either are satisfied or give up and go elsewhere. It's like those company review sites online; only the very vocal get heard and their opinions are very much exaggerated or hostile.

I cannot hide that I dislike commercialism and capitalism as a whole. I also cannot hide that I prefer the internet without business being a massive part of it, and especially dislike Lite versions which are just dumbed down versions of a full one. Probably because this is about free modifications. But I won't argue.

Originally Posted by Inferno Tech (Post 1367822)

@Deezelpope - sorry for the generalisation, I realise, and appreciate, that not all none coders are like that. The point i was trying to make is that the %age of non coders to coders who act in this way is much greater.

@others

Giving out free code is admirable, sure, but it comes down to this.

Would you rather talented coders released lite versions here on vb.org, with full versions for sale, or that they didnt release anything at all?

The way people in the community react to lite and pro means that coders are getting the latter impression, and with other successful forum systems there ready to be coded for, it's a dangerous game. The community is destroying itself, by attacking itself. It's driving people away for no reason, and even when it's NOT doing that, it's not giving them much incentive to stick around either. Go look at any mod thread, the number of complaining or request posts, worded rudely usually, will outnumber the posts of people expressing gratitude 9 times out of 10.

Oh and just a little RE: to the stolen comment - if products are paid for, they can be properly protected. We have a product out,:cool: which has been out for quite a while now, and hasnt been cracked thanks to some protection measures, including encoding.

Premium mods definetely *can* be protected.