I Guess i Just Care How Groups OF mass Quantities are treated by someone who decided to start a forum .

On My Topic Diesel Trucks there all kinds of Corruptness that would damn near turn your stomach as i watch others Just Like me Being lead to slaughter like Mindless Sheep when all there after is comradely and a place to call home online and have fun doing it .

I first Entered the diesel Forum World as a Newbie and Made a ton of frineds on a site and at 400 posts i got banned for tring to hook the members up with a good deal on heatshields , I lost all contact with my friends , This Site has Thousands of members and could care less about 1 , Like Swatting a Fly ,

I went to another Diesel Site and asked if any of my friend were there The Admin from the first site followed me and posted all sorts of stuff , I then moved on to another site 2000 Posts ,,,, Started my own Database Of Information ,,, Sold it ,,,, Starting Admining a new diesel site that is really pumping now ,,, the owner is Hoging all the funds and parts and showing off all his stuff to the members that they paid for , Said he was going to make it a pay site and quit his job

I got Sour and started my own up in March , At Current Growth We stand to destined to be a permeate stable of the online Diesel World

And i can garentee you We will do it On Good Values and Morals .

As Ive seen the other Side form all aspects , You Haven't

DM

Was not ment to be that way at all , Im not over confident in my board or flaunting my stats did i post them ..>NO

Someone pipes up ITs working on my board and they have 10 members Thats the Point not that my boards bigger , Dont try to look for something and run with it

DM

Ment no Disrespect ,

Nobody Agrees With me that willing to speak up

Im not worked up really Its just that there no better way to try to shine some light to admin that they dont have to be Money Grubbing < Sneaks To Have a Successful Forum , Im not using mine as an example tho someday i hope it to be .

And Your Probably right about why i have problems on other forums , When you see Admin Begging for donations for the

3.6.7 to 3.6.7PL1 Upgrade Thats completely Free .... Its Kind of hard Not to say Something to the unknowing member base .

Thats Just Me , I cant turn a Blind Eye to people being intentionally Mis Led For Financial Gain

DM

Stats from a particular forum are completely meaningless (how do you know he doesn't run 20 more large forums ?)

People run their forums how they want, members make their choice to join/stay/leave. There is no right or wrong way, esp as not everyones idea of "good values & morals" is the same.

I Made a comment that , If the members Really Knew and you posted it out in the open they would jet ,,,,,

The Come Back was

All my members know

This forum has 10 members

Thats all i was saying

DM

Allthough you carefully choose not to name forums, this thread seems to be turning into your personal crusade against some forums/admins who you have fallen foul of.

I don't see many sites where the Admin "begs for donations", nor are the vast majority of forum admins "Money Grubbing < Sneaks" as you seem to portray them (us !).

Understood And I didnt mean to Attack any of my fellow Members here on this site , Theres alot of Good Forums Ran Right ! On Here , and like anything else you have the other side ...

Thanks For the opportunity For me To State My opinion Sir

DM

Like I said, I lost my database. Doesnt mean I dont know what I am talking about.

I guess what it boils down to is how you define your Vbulletin Board as Successful Rather its $$$$ Or A Good Community Where People just Like Helping Others and spending there spare time ,

It can Go Hand in Hand , But once the $$$ starts Flowing Some Admin Shift there Visions of there board from a Helpful Community to a Cash Cow

To Each There Own

DM

seems like you sow sour grapes for whatever reason. I don't know why you bothered to post a discussion and then decide you won't engage in the discussion. seems more like a troll post than anything else.

and what a martyr post, "I may be banned here for speaking my mind..." what a cop out. Speak your mind if you are so honest, not try to garner emotional logical fallacy support.

the site that I'm a mod with is over 5 years old, we have over 50,000 members we read PMs, we read private journal entries. We're upfront about it. It is our responsibility to the community to be aware of what our members are doing to other members. It attracts members that donate, there is no advertising allowed from members site spamming. With 50,000 members we don't have time to read them all, we only get involved if we see there is a problem that can crop up.

So far we've been able to ditch many people from pedophiles to plain aholes. We use the simplest method, plain banning and manning the stations when someone decides to try to fool the admin/mods. We're good at vetting out underages (our forum is 18+).

What is great about this is that we have choices. If you don't like them, pick up your marbles and play somewhere else.

I would like to say that I appreciate people like Paul M who spend their free time to come up with solutions to problems. I have not installed the "Miserable Users" mod, but I might in the future. I did install the "Members who have visited in the last 24 hours" mod and it is great.