I agree, the attitude here is that the change has been made and live with it, even though that is true and I understand that the changes are here to stay, that doesn't mean you can't make a new style with some of our suggestions, possibly upgrading the old style to work with the new changes would be cool.

The whole "deal with it" attitude is really not needed. Sorry but the response from some of the admins has been very negative to any feedback talking about the bad points to this new look. Got to take the good with the bad -_- not just say "take your suggestions (begging) elsewhere..."

- John

yes, the goal was to stick with a default vbulletin look ...

if we wanted to change the look we could have easily done so

No need to get on the defensive side princeton he's/she's just suggesting that there is room for improvement.

I did not actually say "take your suggestions elsewhere" :)


If people have genuine useful suggestions, and post them in a constructive manner, then they will be noted and considered - but that does not mean they will be acted upon - some may, some may not - in many cases things are now done in alternative ways, and people will just have to get used to those new ways. That's life.

There is always room for improvement, but the style(s) have not even been live for 24 hours yet so no one is going to rush into any changes.

One thing that we will not consider, or take notice of, are rants & posts like "it's crap", "it's stupid", or even things like "go back to the old style" - these really are of no use to us or anyone else.

Exactly were in this thread have the community said "the style looks crap" or "it's bad" in those short and brief statements your stating/assuming paul?

The community was expecting alot more than 4 custom logos because that's what you have given back 4 custom logos and default styles.

Another observation. Why run a poll asking what colours the community want if vb.org have already designed these styles? Doesn't make sense.

4 custom logos is all you've given back. Can't argue with the facts and with relation to your statement that's an assumption because noone in this thread has made such a statement in the brief wording you assumed.

Why all the whining, people?

On my forum, I choose the colors, styles, buttons, etc., as I see fit, the same way I choose which add-ons I install. I may ask for opinions from my members but I don't think that implies that the members will make the final decision - my forum, my decision.

What's different about vbulletin.org?

I didn't actually say just this thread.

Maybe keep the thread on topic (as you always say to everyone). Maybe you'll notice that people did make suggestions (which have gone ignored).

practice what you preach paul and keep it on topic. The other threads and comments are made by other members of the community. common sense prevails and a little descretion.

I'm well aware that suggestion(s) are buried in the noise of this thread. I'm sure Joe will take note of any. To say they have been ignored is somewhat ridiculous, even if any suggestions were to be implemented, it wouldn't be within a few minutes/hours of them being made.

What's different? Oh, I'd say about 160,000 members and nearly 1 million posts. :)

When your site caters to people, it needs approval by those people -- if the people aren't happy, then there goes your business - or website, as the case may be.