Good point. But any coder (regardless of level) should be able to determine whether or not one can code as a matter of relating. Then again, perhaps that's just my opinion as a coder.

That was a simple joke Dan. If anyone took it offensive, sorry :p

Stabilized meaning less debate or more organized? Also, no need to take out all of the staff now. How about just doing it for future staff? Someone nominates someone, the person who's nominated can give a speech as to why he or she will be good for the job? In the end, the staff effects the community more than other staff members, does it not? Also, thanks for the consideration :p It is appreciated.

I am! ;)

Not that it matters, I just felt a burning need to say that. It would have been more funny if the question had actually been posed to me. :D

I did over simplify things, apologies. Titles do mean something, you did have to work hard or long to create most hacks that will be useful and popular to the general majority. And one hack wouldn't get you master coder regardless :).

My point was what qualifications do most people have to really judge others work? I know from personal experience that everyone on the designers team is very good at what they do. I know Brad, KA, and Andy are very well skilled, and I'm very sure Brad would not have put an amateur into a team lead position. I've seen that Princeton is a fairly well accomplished designer. Since design of HTML/css is my area thats the only one I'll comment on. But please keep in mind that we wouldn't have brought anyone onto the team if we didn't think they could do the work. Everyone improves if you give them time. We all had to start somewhere.

Although I may not know 10 coding languages, I know those languages which comprise vBulletin, namely PHP, XML, XHTML and Javascript better than certain other individuals who were picked, and my age and/or level of education has nothing to do with it. Also, none of my popular hacks are comprised of two lines of code, most of them actually contain 100s. I never say anything unless I'm 100% sure about it, and that applies to this thread too.

That, however, has nothing to do with my first post: let me point out for the third time that I am only asking for other members' opinon, and I am not claiming that anything should be done just becase I want it. I could have claimed that I am a master coder when I joined this site, but I chose to not hide who I am. There is no reason why you should be attacking me in person for that, esspecially since you seem to become so nervous when YOU (admins / moderators) are personally attacked. I am hoping that you'll undestand without me having to quote Wayne's post for you.

Maybe it would be more correct to say that admins would not do that because they are not totally honest.

EDIT:
Hmm, more posts since I wrote this.

Thank you for the post. That is the kind of reply I wanted to hear from a staff member.

Thank you for understanding Zach :p Also, it is true that everyone starts somewhere, but is the staff a good place to start really?

Okay. Then I'll give you mine.

Teams are not made of all stars. Look at sports for an example. A coding team is similar. You need a star, maybe two, and then a bunch of supporting players. Too many stars will only clash with each other.

A typical rl coding team consists of one Senior Developer, or Technical Lead, two to three mid level developers, and one jr. developer.

And, as important as skill is, ability to work together and enjoy each others company is just as important.

You can see myself as a skilled coder and you know it, I think my release record proves that.
As for improving with time, I honestly don't think recruiting people who need an improve at a time when quick changes are needed is such a good iea.

Yes, but will we as members interacting with them, enjoy their company? I think that is what is important.


Boofo is a good example of a good staff member, the other could use some tuning on their people skills.....