I think in all fairness, there ought to be some distinctions made here.

When Ryangel fell off the face of the earth, we were all stuck. Wonko the Sane ported it, only to have it banned from vB.org because Ryangel could not be found to grant permission. I pleaded the "nobody can find this guy" argument with Erwin to no avail.

So, I pm'd Wonko the Sane and he posted it on Kurafire's site. From there a lot of people worked very hard & were very generous to share their modifications to his hack. Oblivion Knight & Sabretoothe then posted their versions of this hack on vbhacks.us when Kurafire closed his board.

The distinction that I feel ought to be emphasized here is that yes, a lot other coders promised, hyped and posted about their fabulous plans ... brad.loo's could do the dishes and Kurafire's could walk the dog. Oh, and that fabulous chocolate flavored journal that won't melt in your hand mainly because you're never gonna get your hands on it. We beg. We plead. We suck up. We bow down. And along comes AN-net, and here is the distinction: AN-net is actually coding!

While I'm also frustrated and share your exasperation, I think AN-net deserves more respect for his efforts. He has kept us updated on his progress. He has furnished us with screenshots. He seems genuinely to be developing a journal system for this community ... and seems genuinely committed to share his work with all of us.

I certainly don't want to see AN-net discouraged by posts that seem to equate his efforts with those who for whatever reason are great at boasting and posting, but never quite get around to doing any coding.

I think for those are complaining they should just be pacient, since AN-net is releasing this for free. this looks like a great hack, but sometimes life or bread and butter work takes presidence over free stuff we maybe working on for the community.

An-net thanks for taking the time to work on this hack, It will be worth the wait.

but again... as i explained to him on aim.. i am understand it's free, and no one is payin him.. but to be constantly giving false dates on when it will be completed.. that isn't fair either

i understand the frustration you guys feel but my life, work(not coding), clients, and school summer stuff is alot to do and i am trying my best to get this done and i am makign sure there are no bugs cause if i rushed(no offense to zachery or link) it would turn out like ushop did with tons and tons of errors. so i will be beta testing it and making sure it optimal for release.

patience is all i need from everyone;)

then please don't toy with me.. and give me misleading information, and deadlines that are incorrect ;)

I think Spence is on the mark... AN-Net has put alot of effort in to coding this and we can see that simply from the screen shots. I am sure AN-Net didnt even need to let people know that he would be working on it except that alot of people are very interested in this and others either werent able to do it due to time constraints or are simply not releasing the ones they've made.

Right now, there is a journal system on vbhacks.us which works and if a journal is that important to your community, then go with that until AN-Net is finished as it will provide the basics and then some. I can garuntee you that there will converters available shortly after as alot of us plan to migrate.

Personally, I'm surprised An-Net was so nice after reading all this mess. If you all are that impatient then learn how to code for yourselves or pay someone to do it. Until then you should keep nasty comments to yourself and be patient. Even if it did never happen it didn't cost you a penny so give him a break and let him take his time and get it right.....

Even with tradmarks there is a period of time where anyone can claim abandonment to it. Vb.org needs something similar otherwise after a few more years and version 4.0 it is going to get crazy.

An-net, thanks for all your work, I completely understand time constraints and the web.

-Jason

yet again.. no one seems to comment on my issue..

that fact he keeps providing me missleading/false information... or is that justified because he is doing this for free? i'm sorry.. but i am not upset at the time it is taking, all i am looking for is some upfront honesty, that he cannot seem to provide me..

which... leads me to beleive how much of the journal hack is really completed...

I didn't mean to cause offense, and I agree with Reeva that there is a difference here in that real code is being produced. Most of us here do not do this stuff full time, but as a hobby (I would guess).

All I'd like to have I suppose is a realistic estimate of when it is going to be ready, taking into account school, work, holidays, etc etc. If you can't give a reasonable estimate, then just let us know that also.

I'm continuing using the current journal hack at the moment, but there is a lot in it that I would tweak if I knew this hack was going to be months away. If it is going to be weeks away, then I'll wait and see how this version looks first.

Keep up the good work - I'm sure it is going to be worth the wait :D