Very well said and I agree 100%. ;)

Actually you insult your own intelligence and until such time as you can actually act as a Human Being, I reserve the right to totally disregard anything you say.

I am actually interested in working a way out so this hack is available...

This could definately be a possibility. At the very least it would allow quality control.

QA is one of the main things that we hopt to focus on at EVB once we finalise the details :)

lol. hi, you don't know me, but i found that amusing. and yes, i like shiny things. :)

going back to the topic, i don't see what all the fuss is about though i can't fault jelsoft for being overly cautious. i just hope that they come to their senses and realize the immense positives that can come from this hack not only for jelsoft but the site owners and communities everywhere that are proud to use vB.

Dream on. :)

That sounds like a great idea to me. Maybe they could fix all of my mistakes that I usually make in a hack BEFORE it is released and I could learn from them. ;)

*gets off topic*

Wow..I cant believe I just read all 18 pages. Its like reading a murder/mystery novel and getting to the end to find you dont get to know who killed the bulter.

I hope a compromise can be found without losing too much of the hack. Would love to use this hack as well.

Well the outcome is in Jelsofts hands :) As far as I can see they are trying to negotiate the best solution for everyone ....

SO to those who still want to protest ...

Build a bridge and get over it!

Kier, the whole point of licensing agreements is related to the letter of the agreement. That's why you have them. If you have a licensing agreement, you don't get to waffle on about nebulous "spirit" and such.

If Jelsoft don't want to be bound by and adhere to a licensing agreement, then they shouldn't create one.

I licensing agreement's raison d'etre is to make is plain and clear what the obligations of both parties are. That is what Jelsoft has chosen to do. Now Jelsoft doesn't get to complain about actions taken by people which are within the terms of the agreement: you certainly wouldn't be so lenient with people who violated the agreement - so what on earth makes you think that any other party to the agreement is going to be?

You have to realise that many of the licensees you deal with here are businesses, just like you. They don't enter into licensing agreements lightly, and they expect you to hold up your end. There are some big, big companies using vBulletin - you go to, say, Hasbro (which uses vBulletin, e.g. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...boards/welcome) and try to tell them that they can't do things permitted by the license because it's against the "sprit" of it and see what happens. These companies regularly enter into licensing agreements with the likes of LucasArts, Pokemon and such), and they take such things very, very seriously.

It's not even a moral issue here. Some of us run businesses just like you do; we make agreements with other businesses because it is in our long-term (financial) interests to do so. If the license had prohibited what you're implying you believe it prohibits, we would not have entered into those agreements, because it would not have been in our long-term interests. As it is, we have an agreement with you, and we fully expect Jelsoft to hold up its end of the agreement.

If you want to debate "community issues", morality and fairness, stop charging for the product and release free software. When you start taking money, you find yourself in a different league.