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NLP-er

11-23-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isatice (Post 1919118)

here it is : What languages does AdSense support?

there are only a few languages supported by google adsense , otherwise google will close the publisher's account

I see there that you can't use AdSense for not supported languages, but you can have site in many languages. So you can use AdSense for each language which is supported.

I'm going to TOS to learn more, but on this very page which you gave is written that AdSense will handle commercials language even if page is in many languages, so it means that it is allowed to have different languages.

NLP-er

11-23-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1919124)

That is not (edit: completely) true. Google's policy states:

And there are certainly more than a few languages supported as both primary and secondary languages:

I'm not sure do I understood it well, because of word "primarily", which translated to my language can have 2 different meanings. So is it used here as "originally" of as "mostly"?...

NLP-er

11-23-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1919274)

Response from Google:

Seems from the response:

You cannot populate the cache beforehand - it must be the end user (or Googlebot) doing that.

vBET is NOT pre-populating cache. It is populated as the requests comes. Send this information go Google staff and tell that they can review the code of free version to be sure about that (paid too, but after contact with me).

Also - we had here big discussion about headers ;)

All - referer header and API key are supported in newest versions of vBET (booth 2.x and 3.x). API key you can set in options and referer headers are send automatically each time when request is coming to Google (in vBET 3.x even for automatic language detection).

So just made vBET update, set your key and send them message that you fit all TOS. Google likes to give access back, when everything is OK :)

NLP-er

11-23-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaryx (Post 1919322)

What would be code for a specific language(s)?

For example, I would just turn off the Belarusian and Catalan?

Here you will find all supported by vBET codes and languages for those. Just change condition in code I gave you before.

Code:

    return array ("af"=>"Afrikaans","sq"=>"Albanian","ar"=>"Arabic",

 "be"=>"Belarusian","bg"=>"Bulgarian","ca"=>"Catalan","zh-CN"=>"Chinese",

"hr"=>"Croatian","cs"=>"Czech","da"=>"Danish","nl"=>"Dutch",

"en"=>"English","et"=>"Estonian","tl"=>"Filipino","fi"=>"Finnish",

"fr"=>"French","gl"=>"Galician","de"=>"German","el"=>"Greek",

"iw"=>"Hebrew","hi"=>"Hindi","hu"=>"Hungarian","is"=>"Icelandic",

"id"=>"Indonesian","ga"=>"Irish","it"=>"Italian","ja"=>"Japanese",

"ko"=>"Korean","lv"=>"Latvian","lt"=>"Lithuanian","mk"=>"Macedonian",

"ms"=>"Malay","mt"=>"Maltese","no"=>"Norwegian", "fa" => "Persian", 

"pl"=>"Polish","pt"=>"Portuguese","ro"=>"Romanian","ru"=>"Russian",

"sr"=>"Serbian","sk"=>"Slovak","sl"=>"Slovenian","es"=>"Spanish",

"sw"=>"Swahili","sv"=>"Swedish","zh-TW"=>"Taiwanese","th"=>"Thai",

"tr"=>"Turkish","uk"=>"Ukrainian","vi"=>"Vietnamese","cy"=>"Welsh",

"yi"=>"Yiddish");

imported_silkroad

11-23-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1919664)

I'm not sure do I understood it well, because of word "primarily", which translated to my language can have 2 different meanings. So is it used here as "originally" of as "mostly"?...

I think, in this case, "primarily" means "your original language", not translated.

But, only Google really know what they mean ! :D

imported_silkroad

11-23-2009 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1919658)

AdSense will handle commercials language even if page is in many languages, so it means that it is allowed to have different languages.

Yes, that's right.

If you use Google Analytics and integrate it with Google Adsense, there is a section which breaks down Adsense revenue by language in GA.

So, it is easy to see that Google supports multiple language per site.

I strongly recommend every person who runs this mod run Google Analytics.

(This is the second time I have made this recommendation, BTW).

If you use GA, you will easily see what Google supports regarding languages ;)

AND, you can see almost exactly the eCPM and CTR of each language on your site ;)

Don't worry. Be happy :D

NLP-er

11-23-2009 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1919385)

Hi Kris,

Great job! Glad to see you back up again soon.

Google is fair.

OBTW, a long time ago (well, around 5 months ago), there was a member of these forums called T2x. He was the first person to insist that people need to add the referral header code and to use the Google API key. He also was the first person to crack the code on rewriting the URLs to get rid of the question mark in the query.

At the time, the guy who paid for the code for the first translation mod (whom NLP-er worked with to make the code actually and the database work properly) really ridiculed T2x for warning people to add the referral header to Google and to add the optional AJAX search API.

It turns out that T2x is the hero for all of us. He was the first to work out these issues. We have been running T2x's code for months and never had any problems because we have always had the referral headers, etc. We followed T2x completely because what he said corresponded directly with the Google TOS.

My public praise for T2x takes nothing away from NLP-er who has done a great job too, without a doubt.

However, I think it is important to remind everyone that it was fellow forum team member T2x that was the first person to work out all the Google TOS issues and provide the original code fixes.

Everyone here owes T2x and word of thanks, including me.

Thank you T2x!

You are 'da man! :up: :up: :up:

I do not remember T2x making automatic cache clearing ;)

Kolbi

11-23-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1919684)

Can you tell me how to use analytics as good as possible?

imported_silkroad

11-23-2009 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1919751)

I do not remember T2x making automatic cache clearing ;)

You are right. As I recalll, T2x uses manual cache clearing or automates cache clearing using a MySQL script.

However, T2x did work out the Header Referrals and the vBSEO Link Consensus code. In fact, one of the reasons I was arguing with you about a "new requirement" to add referral headers to the code is that I already have it since July from T2x and forgot about it. That was way I did not think it was important, because I forgot we installed T2x's AJAX API and Referral Header code in July for translations.

KrisP

11-24-2009 07:47 AM

How much new content is too much?

I am wondering if Googlebot might flag if a sites content (number of pages) after growing slowly for years suddenly grows 10 times over night.

If it might be an idea to add one language at a time over a longer time period instead of over night?

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920007)

How much new content is too much?

I don't think it matters very much. There is nothing in the Google TOS that says "sites much grow very slowly or else!"

Quote:

I am wondering if Googlebot might flag if a sites content (number of pages) after growing slowly for years suddenly grows 10 times over night.

There is nothing in the Google TOS that says "sites much less than 10 times overnight.

Quote:

If it might be an idea to add one language at a time over a longer time period instead of over night?

Not really, but you can do as you like.

I suggest to you that you should only add languages from countries with a large number of Internet users first to optimize your traffic.

Also, if you are looking for revenue as a ad publisher, you should focus on countries and languages with a high income per person where languages are supported by the various ad networks.

Most ad networks do not support any language other than English. Google Adsense is the exception as they support over 30 languages, which is really amazing. So, look at the supported languages, look at the statistics for Internet usage by country and language, and look at the economics of that country if you are interesting in publishing revenue.

Hint: Adding many languages from poor countries with small Internet usage at the same time you are adding countries and languages like Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark is not a good idea if you are seeking revenue as a publisher.

KrisP

11-24-2009 08:24 AM

What do you think of the argument that a large language (like en) has more users as you say but has also more pages in that language and therefore more competition in search results. So there is an opposite effect this way. A smaller language has fewer users but also less competition in search results.

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolbi (Post 1919765)

Can you tell me how to use analytics as good as possible?

Are you running Google Analytics now?

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920020)

Creating and publishing content on the web is no different than creating and publishing content like books. Most publishers publish to larger markets. They are also niche publishers that publish to smaller audiences.

Books are generally published in languages where there are a lot a readers and translated based on the same logic. Publishers do not translate a book to an obscure language thinking that someone will go to Amazon and maybe have an advantage because they are one of the few publishers in that market. Publishing takes both time and money.

On the other hand, you are free to try any obscure, niche publishing strategy that your heart desires and you think is fun, profitable or interesting.

I am telling you some facts, not theory:

Almost all major CPM ad networks only serve ads in English (very small percentage in "other than English")
Almost all CPM ad networks focus on serving ads to rich, modern, developed nations.
Most all ad revenue is from the English language. This is the top tier of languages.
Second tier, for global Internet publishing are (in no particular order): French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, etc.
Advanced countries in Europe, like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, etc have good CPM rates, some higher than in English, but the number of impressions is small compared to English, so English is where the big publishing money is.

You can easily find this information out on the Internet.

In my opinion, your strategy of targeting obscure languages for SEO or search advantage is interesting, but I would never do it. If you want to do it, go ahead that is your decision.

Also, I don't want to get into a discussion on "which language is better, nicer, more traditional, etc."... I am only replying as to "where the money is" for Internet publishers. The money is in modern large countries with big economics, a high standard of living, large number of educated, technical users, with a high percentage of Internet users.

As for you, you can try any strategy and if it does not work, you can change it later.

KrisP

11-24-2009 10:11 AM

Well, I included swedish and norwegian because these languages are very similar to Danish so the quality of translation is good, which would generate more hits. But besides that I see your point.

So your top ten list (in no particular order) is: English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese and ... ?

Also with regards to the optimum number of languages to start with. Question is if the absolute number of urls beeing indexed are based on a percentage of total number of urls - if this is the case then you might as well choose to show all adsense languages to begin with?

KrisP

11-24-2009 10:27 AM

Seen in the light that it is a violation of Google TOS to create cache artificially beforehand - so uncached pages with many posts will load slowley - would it in any way be possible to load the page post by post - so the first post is shown fast - and then the following posts will be loaded one at a time on the page - so you dont loose users who dont want to wait 5-10 seconds for the whole page to load.

KrisP

11-24-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1894680)

This is a much better way to do this.
I have a script that copies the vbseo_sitemaps and generates sitemaps for about 15 languages, moves them to their own subdirectories (one for each language) and then pings google after each one is updated.

Sounds like a very good idea indeed. Any chance you would share this script with the rest of us?

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920049)

if this is the case then you might as well choose to show all adsense languages to begin with?

Not us. We never show all language flags. It is suboptimal to have GoogleBot indexing links with little traffic benefit or upside.

I never recommend to anyone to enable all languages on any forum large or small.

Having said that, few people follow my advice. They simply load all the flags without regard to traffic patterns in the Internet.

Keep in mind also that there is a maximum number of links that GoogleBot will index. I have no idea how Google determines what the ceiling is, but I can tell you that the longer you index, the slower the progress is.

For this reason alone, you should index the high priority languages first (expose those flags and create site maps). It is a major mistake to simply expose languages without a plan. Make a plan ! Use Google Analytics to ANALYZE your site performance. Use Google Webmaster tools to optimize your sitemaps.

Review this link and others (you don't need to ask every question here.. do your own homework !)

Top Ten Internet Languages - World Internet Statistics

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920101)

Sounds like a very good idea indeed. Any chance you would share this script with the rest of us?

Not really..... I have already described the steps to create your own script in this thread. See below....

Please try to write one yourself ( it is really easy ... !! )

If you can't write a Linux/Unix script, go visit www.unix.com and learn :-) You can ask about scripting there and there are many people to help you.

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 01:52 PM

Here is my prior instructions for writing a script for sitemaps / language:

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1867961)

I do not recommend people use the shared mod for the vBSEO sitemap generator for the following reasons:

The mod "interweaves" the language links (link.html?language=flag) in a serial manner, so when you work with Google sitemaps, you have no idea how much of the translated pages have been indexed in your sitemaps.

This is OK, and you can certainly do this "kludge" if you wish, if you are not comfy with a little manual labor and command line performance :D

If you want more control over your sitemaps (so you can submit Chinese language sitemaps to China, etc. and also watch the indexing process of each language) then I advise you to do something like this (what we do and it works great!):

(1) Copy the vBSEO sitemap files to another directory, for example for Korean, you could create a /sitemaps/ko directory and copy all the sitemaps from the ./vbseo_sitemaps/data directory over there.

(2) Unzip all the files with gzip -d.

(2) Edit the index file, sitemap_index.xml and put the path to the directory where you have the specific language sitemaps. You can do this with vi, for example, in 2 seconds, or sed in about the same time or less.

(3) Use sed to append ?language=flag, for example ?language=ko (for Korean) at the end of your loc files, for example </loc> tag, sed to ?language=ko</loc> This takes about 3 - 5 seconds on a big site with a 400K links in the sitemap. ( Update: You can also use sed to add SEO optimized tags in the URL, i.e. www.yoursite.com/ko/link_to_your_favorite_thread.html ')

(4) gzip the files.

(5) Manually add the sitemap -- sitemap/ko/sitemap_index.xml.gz (in the example above) to your favorite search engine webmaster dashboard :D

Well, you don't have to follow our advice, but that is how we do it, and we like it much better than the "interwoven, giant, humongous sitemap" method hack provided so far.

You certainly can do it that way, if you have a small site and don't actively manage your sitemaps. Or you can do it that way if you don't care :p

However, if you want to observe / manage the actual progress of how your various languages are indexed, I recommend you make a sitemap_index.xml.gz for each language, as outlined above. It takes only about 15 - 30 seconds max for each sitemap, so if you use only the top 10 Internet-languages like we do, then it only takes a few minutes, between 5 and 10 minutes manual labor.

Then again, you can use any method you like :D

I am simply sharing how we do it, and it works great. We tried "the other way" and found it "unmanagable" for a site with over 400K links in the origin language sitemap. It take a while for Google to index a large sitemap anyway, so we recommend you focus on the top 10 Internet-languages for maximum benefit :up:

Cheers!

Note, this is really easy to do! Please try on your own and don't make one huge sitemap for all your languages !!

jaryx

11-24-2009 02:37 PM

Americans. They are so wonderful... and are such ignorant. :P

Tell me guys, why English version answer "What languages does AdSense support?" is different than the version for other languages? :O

In English version we see:

Code:

Arabic Bulgarian Chinese (simplified) Chinese (traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Finnish French  German Greek Hebrew Hungarian Italian Japanese Korean Latvian Lithuanian Norwegian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Spanish Swedish Thai Turkish Ukranian

In other languages (PL,DE,ES,FR,RU) we see:

Code:

Arabic Bulgarian Catalan Chinese (simplified) Chinese (traditional) Croatian Czech Danish Dutch English Finnish French  German Greek Hebrew Hungarian Italian Japanese Korean Latvian Lithuanian Norwegian Polish Portuguese Romanian Russian Serbian Slovak Spanish Swedish Thai Turkish

Catalonia = Ukraine ?

Even american Big G does not know that these two old (much older than the U.S.) and the beautiful countries are located at opposite ends of Europe?

Which of these answers is true? Written once in English, or written several times in other languages? ;)

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaryx (Post 1920171)

Americans. They are so wonderful... and are such ignorant. :P

Don't bring politics and insults into this forum.

If you have a question about Google on these topics, ask Google. Don't post this type of useless insulting other countries here.

Post something useful.

Thanks.

Kolbi

11-24-2009 03:33 PM

There?an issue if you try register on a translated page.
It alway says that I haven?t:

Quote:

Since you have decided not to accept the Terms of Use, you can not continue with registration.

Go to the Forum Home or click Back on your browser's' if you still want to accept the terms of use.

???

jaryx

11-24-2009 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1919124)

That is not (edit: completely) true. Google's policy states:

And there are certainly more than a few languages supported as both primary and secondary languages:

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1920200)

In principle, this question was directed to you. That you posted about the rules of Adsense, so I think I had a right to think that you are a specialist in this topic, right?

Do not know the answer? Ok, no problem. I ask the great G.

ps.
"Sarcasm. The lowest form of humor but the highest form of wit" - Oscar Wilde (Irish poet)

Relax. I am not a politician. You are also awesome too. :D

NLP-er

11-24-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920007)

Some do it this way, some uses all 52 languages from the begging. There was no person which claims about any penalty for such content improvement. Still I cannot guarantee Google behavior. I made on my forum all languages available and everything is fine.

Still not every forum was able to handle all the new traffic to translated pages, so some forums make available less languages because of this reason.

NLP-er

11-24-2009 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920059)

Check in vB option for number of posts on one page.

NLP-er

11-24-2009 06:27 PM

Hi all :)

At this moment I have already corrected only bug on my list (for links with language= and #). I'm holding new release right now waiting till somebody confirms that vBET 2.x in option SEO links, is working fine with Zoints SEO, Clogic SEO and TfSEO 2.

After that - release is coming and I'm ready to update vBET 2.x for vBulletin 4 :)

But first things first - people was asking for each of this SEO engines, so give me feedback please :) Required .htaccess rules you will find in FAQ (first post).

Paul M

11-24-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaryx (Post 1920171)

Catalonia = Ukraine ?

Catalonia is an area of Spain (North East roughly).

imported_silkroad

11-24-2009 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaryx (Post 1920235)

OK! Great to hear!

But if you want to know why Google has one list on one English web site, and another list on a non-English web site, ask Google! I would expect a global organization that does business in such a large number of countries to have inconsistent web pages. It is hard to manage a single forum!

Discuss these trivial things with Google, please. THANKS!

KrisP

11-25-2009 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1920281)

Check in vB option for number of posts on one page.

It would hurt functionality for the regular users of source language. Also it will affect indexing because of smaller amount of content on each page.

Zi55	11-25-2009 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1895229)

Added in TODO list - thanks for note :):up: I will check it.

Hello ,
It's fixed in your site , but still not fixed in the lastest version :( , please help NLP-er.
Thanks ,
Zi55

imported_silkroad

11-25-2009 04:38 PM

1 Attachment(s)

In an earlier discussion here, someone asked about what lanaguages Google Adsense supports. Of course, one of the best ways to understand Google Adsense is to understand Google Adwords. For those of you who do not use Adwords, I have attached a screen shot from the control panel that clearly shows the languages suppored by Adwords/Adsense.

Now you know for sure :D

Enjoy.

Kolbi

11-25-2009 04:48 PM

My question is not answered yet :)

Quote:

There?an issue if you try register on a translated page.
It alway says that I haven?t:

Quote:

Since you have decided not to accept the Terms of Use, you can not continue with registration.

Go to the Forum Home or click Back on your browser's' if you still want to accept the terms of use.

???

NLP-er

11-25-2009 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisP (Post 1920524)

It would hurt functionality for the regular users of source language. Also it will affect indexing because of smaller amount of content on each page.

It is such possibility.

In such way please see here a little manual about how to recognize does page is translated and how to made special things for translated pages:
http://www.vbenterprisetranslator.co...e.html#post508

NLP-er

11-25-2009 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zi55 (Post 1920593)

Hello ,
It's fixed in your site , but still not fixed in the lastest version :( , please help NLP-er.
Thanks ,
Zi55

Sorry - I'm out of context. Can you please remind me what it is about :) I have some bug already corrected but not released yet in vBET 2.x

NLP-er

11-25-2009 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1920780)

So it seems that is similar list as for translations (if not same). I suppose they maybe forgot to update AdSense TOS after they add support for new languages (btw - this support is already since several months, but for Google it is still new).

imported_silkroad

11-25-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLP-er (Post 1920849)

Technical people are always behind on the documentation!

I advise anyone who runs Adsense to also understand Adwords. It is easy to open an Adwords account and see now Google targets countries and languages.

OBTW, NPL-er, you should take a 1/2 day break from coding and debugging and create at least one 300x250 rectangle ad-image and at least one 728x90 leaderboard-image. Then, since you are such a great guy and doing such a great job, I'll run some of your 300x250s and 728x90s for free (since you already have me on your "supporter" list) to drive more traffic to your new web site :D

Zi55	11-26-2009 07:51 AM

Hello NLP-er ,
Thank for your reply here the bug
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...55#post1895229
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...55#post1893548

Thank you ,
Zi55

NLP-er

11-26-2009 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imported_silkroad (Post 1920902)

Great thanks! I will.

NLP-er

11-26-2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zi55 (Post 1921084)

Hello NLP-er ,
Thank for your reply here the bug
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...55#post1895229
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...55#post1893548

Thank you ,
Zi55

About 1st one - it is not on my TODO list anymore so it should be corrected.

About Avant Explorer - honestly I didn't check it yet.

Do you have newest version and still have this issue?

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