That was a decission made to have a shorter beta-period, but with a higher quality of testing.

Man that sucks for the timetable. I think my owned license updates will expire before then.

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Yeah, who would want an open beta test field where thousands test a product anyway.

Better to test on a few dozen, a hundred platforms at best, because the rest of us are too simple minded to report bugs anyway.

Yeah and its also great not to release in beta so that all the mod authors will have to play catch up on changes, I mean after all a bland, default Vb is a happy Vb.

Good call !

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Apple OS X versions are also only beta tested by a very limited number of users. Do you find this OS to be less secure or bugfree?

It all depends on experience of the new devs, and of course the quality of the testing.

It can go wrong either way...

BTW why would you want to beta test software on a production board anyway? I stopped doing that since 4 years ago.

To each his own I suppose.

Not fighting the issue just stating an opinion.

Beta test should be open for all because more people test it more bug will be detect.

I agree, and those people who will need to re-create many many sites design wise will be behind the gun, while they could release a beta and all the coding could be completed while they test and test and test.... This really sucks for designers and coders of modifications.

It looks like there will be many many boring stock vb4 sites out there for a while to come....or people just won't upgrade until everything catches up.... which would hurt vb sales wise.

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Hmmm . . .

Nothing new. They have been hiring new personnel all year to work on vBulletin. I believe there are actually 3 or 4 positions available still for development.

I'm sorry I have to respectfully disagree with this comment. While I understand having what you all feel is the best testing candidates testing the Beta, I think you are also forgetting that most of the people who have had vB for years and have been active testers, designers, and programmers are now left sitting and waiting. I have a site hinged on the release of vB4 and tons of things to convert from 3.8 to 4 including mods I have posted here on vB.org. I would love the ability to get ahead of the game and start coding and getting familiar so that I know what to expect. Now I am forced to just go running out of the gates with 4 when it is released and quite frankly I will have limited confidence in its quality upon release (kind of like how people say never get the first rev of something.)

This thing that has always made vB the best is its community and IB has totally stripped the community away from vB. All we are now are customers who give them money, we no longer have a say in the product, and its quite clear that they don't want our feedback either.

I know the vB vs IPB thing comes up all the time but maybe IB should take some lessons from IPB's new customer service. Like there open Beta and there Skin contests.

Just some advice from a long time user who sees a lot of familiar faces here fed up and frustrated with the "New vB".

Also one more rant... I know its a dead horse but this delay is not fair to us. You guys made a commitment to your customers and instead you have closed down all discussions on vb.com for things like this and have left us almost totally in the dark about the development of vB, the testing, pricing, and now the release.

Business is business, but this is not good business guys.

I mean this as respectfully as possible.