The fact that Jelsoft and vB.com staff have meetings to discuss vB.org in the absence of the vB.org admins and staff reflects the lack of consultation and direction that vB.org staff gets from Jelsoft. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I'm glad a potential meeting may occur at some stage between Jelsoft and the vB.org staff.

I think an analogy more apt than the grocery store one would be that of a pot-luck dinner at a church that has gone very, very wrong. In a pot-luck dinner, every family brings a dish of their favorite food to share with the group. People eat a bit of this and that and talk and maybe swap recipes. There is no menu. There are no waiters or short-order cooks.

Now, imagine you take your dinner to the pot-luck dinner, and out of the 100 people who come, 4 bring food. Most of the other 96 people come and very quietly eat some of the food and leave. A few smile and say thank you. And, because it's a church and you have some food there, you really don't mind.

A few people who don't cook try to help out. They wash dishes, and pick up the trash. They help the small kids and older people who can't fill their own plates. They try to add something to the party.

But, 2 or 3 of the people who don't bring food start asking for stuff that isn't there. And, they get angry when you won't dish out their plates and serve them at their table. And, they yell at the people who did cook and tell them that the food is no good and it would be much better if you served steak instead of baked beans.

Those 2 or 3 people are far from the majority, but they certainly aren't much incentive for the 4 people who were willing to share their food to do so again.

Please pass the salt, thanks. :)

Don't be sad Boofo. I'm sure amykhar will let you bring something from your grocery store to the pot-luck. ;)

my pleasure :)

lol, i find this post hilarious, but it's so true.

ps, my monster of a post was lost in the mpdev/livewire arguing, bump my post, it's the most relevant thing in the world :p

All this talk of a pot-luck dinner has me hungry and while there is sport to be found in poking angry kitties with sticks, I'll glide over to the apple pie and take a seat.

I sincerely hope that both sides can take a moment and see the perspective of the other side so that in the future we can all enjoy the pie without the drama.

Mmmm..... PIE.....

Warm Apple Pie... and warm whipped cream... with some ice cream...

Okay, who brought the hot carmel?

Where is there a hot camel?! I have to see this!

I've been to the Persian Gulf - I got to see a hot camel there...