Don't forget that the Staff are volunteers, and beside being a moderator, tehy are also member/user/coder here. You should also be able to see the difference between a personal opinion and a stand taken as a Staff member. Boofy is clearly stating a personal opinion in this thread.

/me Still got a bag full of feathers, wonder if someone know a good use for it.

Thank you, Marco. Is is ONLY an opinion and nothing more. Why should it be labeled as anything else? Voicing an opinion and being on a mission are 2 totally different concepts.

"If you prick the Staff, do they not bleed?" (I've always wanted to say that somewhere. ;))

Put the bag away, Marco, I'm done with this now as participating in this debate any longer will only serve to fuel the "Staff is on a mission" scenario as that is their last line of defense now.

Oh the drama! I think its easily recognized for what it was. Happily, we can now get back to constructive discussion :P

Like at what stage do we recognize that a pretty healthy majority want a to discuss a solution that will work for the majority while respecting the wishes of the minority? Furthermore, has there been any further progress on ideas from Jelsoft in this department. Are they waiting for the poll to close before deciding?

Just curious.

We?

I didn't know there was a we that included the members of vBulletin.org that makes decisions for Jelsoft?

Healthy majority?

One third of one percent of the members voted.

Your failure to deal if facts is clouding your assessment of this undoubtly.

woops. i wanted to vote yes.

This poll has no reflection or standing on the decision - It is not endorsed by us, nor does it have an acceptable measure of the feelings of everyone...

A few coders disagree, a few agree - A few members disagree, a few agree - From where I stand it looks exactly like whatever happens one camp won't be happy while another will...

And I'm sorry, but when you signed up to this site, used it's forums, it's free advice and free code for your own forums and personal development, you accepted and abided by the rules at the time, which are still what they are today...

Regardless of the outcome, unless a very large percentage are totally for it, I believe we should stick by what we know and if you don't like it, well, you agreed that was the way it would be when you joined so by doing so, you can either accept it or leave...

And for the record, this is my personal opinion not that of the Staff or Jelsoft...

Chris

Sorry cats, I thought we were having a discussion for a reason here.

I guess not, point taken & time wasted.

As a customer of Jelsoft and third party developer, I mistakenly thought I had a voice (as I'm sure the majority did) but clearly .org is staying where the minority want. How silly was I?

pffft.

Can we start a poll then whether or not to close the Site Feedback forums?

The staff here says one day they are discussing it behind the scenes. Then on a following day, the majority of them are posting how bad and evil change would be.

But hey, it is all personal opinion.

Baaaaa. Baaaaa.

As a staff member, you guys sometimes need to recognise that you need to keep your personal opinions in check. That is the nature of the beast. Some have unfairly started to twist others words (TG) and derail any semblence of a healthy discussion.

yes no yes no I mean yes

No one said we were not discussing it still... Sometimes people need to realize staff members have their own opinions about things and that does not automaticly mean it's the opinion of the entire staff.

They are voicing their opinions so you guys can discuss them, you may not agree with them but no one said you had to.

So my advice to you all is to get back on topic and keep it clean.