Well it depends on how you are looking at it.

If you want to put in some stipulation that a user will only use the base software then I still believe Vb4 is better but the majority of people use addons. More add ons means more flexibility and that is a good thing.

I'm not saying that Add-Ons are a bad thing. What I'm saying however is that when you benchmark something you have to take the two things (in this case; softwares) and then take away all the Third Party Add-ons and compare them in their "vanilla" state.

vBulletin 4 is not a bad software. I do however feel like XenForo suits my needs better. (Note: In it's "vanilla" state.) Which software is statistically better we will never know. Mostly because you can take any statistics and present them in your favor.

Ps. I would like to point out that I did not say xF is better than vB. But I prefer xF and feel that it suits my current needs better. Yes, this is aimed at you dear. You know who you are.

I am looking at it from an end user experience as to which is better in my opinion. we are not benchmarking software here. we are talking about which one is better for the end user.

Ofcourse you are entitled to your opinion. I suppose I am biased having used vbulletin for many years but I have worked with XF a few times in addition to every other script out there and I still think Vb4.2 is the best. Just my opinion though. If you are happy with XF then that is all that matters.

I never said Xenforo coders were better or worse than vBulletin. I can say that vBulletin has a KNOWN issue with php5 and vb4 and those "developers" haven't fixed it yet, but have released plenty of updates for their vb5. lol If the shoe fits, you wear it. They need to get off their asses and fix the damn script so I don't have to "hide" errors and can stop deleting all the damn double posts. In my opinion, once vBulletin was sold, it started its downhill journey in my opinion. They are losing LOYAL customers (12 years here - I will NEVER buy another vb license after this php5 nonsense i have been dealing with for over a year now.) because they just don't seem to give a rats ass about their vb4 product. Out with the old and in with the new while saying "fu$% you" to those of us who refuse to use that mess called vb5.

The double post issue is either a result of not hiding the warnings by default (something Xenforo does as well) or the result of a 3rd party add-on.

By default VB 4.2.2 with warnings suppressed (or turned off on the server) does not get double posts.

Let me start by saying that I appreciate you answering. You just offered me more info than I have received from vbulletin on these issues! Thank you!

My main issue with debugging the doublepost (which only started after we upgraded the server to php5) is that I can't replicate it. I never doublepost and most of my members don't either. It almost seems like it is isolated to certain users. I attempted debugging it by seeing what the users have in common but came back with zeros on that front as they use varying browsers and comps. I already went through each of the sites modifications a LONG time ago and the mods weren't the issue as it still happened with them disabled. The devs themselves have stated the issue is/was with php5 and vb4 compatibility. I am running 4.2.2 and deleted 6 doubles today alone.

Keep in mind that I stopped asking for help at vb once i heard 'we are working on it" for the damn 100th time. (Not literally, but you get my point.) I have gone back and read others posts and there weren't any answers for others on the site beyond "we are working toward php5 and vb4 compatibility". This seems to be a box response now over there. I just purchased my second xenforo license and have started to port my vbulletin over. I would have loved to have had this fixed back when it became an issue but it wasn't. vbulletin can officially kiss my ass because I won't be using their products anymore. Internet Brand is a damn joke.

Rich, I will PM you so as not to take this further off-topic.

Feel happy with vbulletin on my forum http://www.webmastersun.com . Be honest, its templates are easy to edit and change new layouts for my style. I get more good feedbacks on my vb style. Still keep on developing my forum without changing it to new cms.:)

This has run its course now.