We do know that VB 5.x has many issues and it will take time for them to fix these issues (front-end and back-end) and make the features work all together properly. But in the mean time, we don't need to degrade Vbulletin as a whole product because there is a successful version of it Vb 4.x and most probably the best out there and surpassing XF in many ways.

What XF fans are forgetting is that VB 4.x is still around with all its complete features and it is very stable. For me to say XF is better than VB 4.x would be utterly a lie.

So no matter how they switch words around, we know VB 5.x and XF needs time to improve, and for me, that estimate for both of them would be 1 - 2 years to see how well each product improved.

We do know that XF isn't as popular as VB, and that explains why many still love VB. XF fans wants to make it sound otherwise but they can't deny when a XF staff says this just today.

XF addons doesn't receive many rates and reviews because not many have installed it and use it.

For me i want to see a product with great features and innovation - a product with great features which makes use of interactive design that meets 2014 web design. Unfortunately, neither XF nor VB 5.x met this level yet. So i am still waiting, in the mean time using VB 4.x which is the best for me so far.

The level of features between VB 4.x and XF is pretty obvious, so why deny it is beyond my understanding.

http://forum.nihonomaru.com/member/rina-touin.1/ vs. http://xenforo.com/community/members/kier.2/

Not sure what any of that has to do with Sphinx... All I was saying is that the Sphinx implementation they built for vB5 is not good, that's all. No clue about the whole XF vs. vB debate (nor do I really care since what other people do/don't like really doesn't affect me, so...)

Bottom line, vB5's Sphinx implementation is pretty crappy if you want to actually find search results. I suspect vB staff wouldn't disagree.

And we never said that VB 5.x doesn't have many issues.

Saying vBulletin is better because there are more add-ons is stupid. vBulletin has been around longer and obviously have more add-ons because of this. That does in no way compare the two softwares.

Having more add ons makes it easier and better for the end user. Who cares why?

With the recent discussions about checking some ticket and fanboys and such well I'm gonna have to go all out Jerry McGuire here and simply reply with "you [S]had[/S] lost me at hello".

So aside from all that lets get back on track and compare the actual software not the people behind it or how you feel they should or should not act... unless you want me to chime in with a hundred paragraphs of Lorem Epsum :p jk jk. *I'd really like to see this thread continue without posts regarding moderation actions on other sites and little snide comments between some of you I mean come on now, how now brown cow!

God knows what language Superman talks :confused: :erm:

I was about to post some Loren epsum filler but thought better of it. :)

Apparently I speak a little Shakespearean while also teaching you all rounded vowel sounds lol :cool:.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_now_brown_cow

Edit: Now aren't we all going off topic! Derailers the lot of us!

Still doesn't make that software better in terms of putting them against each other to see which software performs better. Third party add-ons are not part of that.