dial up is different and this serves them with speed increases, but IE4, isn't forcing them to upgrade for their own good with all the nasty virus's that were tailor made for the browser actually doing them and their address book members a favour?

yup define hits and define the total to give us an idea of overall usage.

The first rule about fight club is that we do not talk about fight club. :ninja:


If dial up users could upgrade for free then I would block them too.

The majority of Internet users still have it, so you have to. To be honest, though, any decent layout should not weight so much as to take a long time to load in any browser, which ominously leads back to the original matter in that table markup (the model and view) defining a page's layout uses more bandwidth than semantic markup (the model) backed up by a style (the view).

<a href="http://www.corecss.com/properties/full-chart.php" target="_blank">http://www.corecss.com/properties/full-chart.php</a> :ninja:

So just about everything ;) Amongst the other browsers, all the <IE4 hits (including IE4 and even IE3) account for about 0.5% of our total hits. (I couldn't find a browser stat that represented "unique visitors". But putting this stat into perspective gives the general idea.)

It was redundant.. I deleted it.

my thought is it could all be 1 user 7,000+ hits isnt uncomon if you dont filter that over a time period (say 12hrs) for 1 user. so .5% of the hits could come from 1 user over the duration of your logging period. also it depends when the stats started to be generated.

7,000 hits outta 1million is alot different to 7k outta 50k

0.5% of the hits suggests the former ;)

At a rough estimate, I'd say it's 7k out of 1.4 million ;)

Satan

The glorious bold name :paranoid:

That's one mighty challenge. I'm going to definitely pass. ;)

MS doesnt even support IE4 and as a result alot of companies aren't either. I don't see why vb really should at this point.

On the other hand, if they did, maybe there should be a new more css oriented design with an admin option to turn on a style that conforms to IE 4.x. A basic style. Nothing fancy, no extra options.

This is a great site for that sort of thing:

http://www.alistapart.com/

Thanks mates, I'll check this out in abit. :) My girl just sent me a 14 page document she wants me to read and comment on, so back to the salt mines ;)

Are my eyes seeing things or did I just see someone say they strive to support IE4. This is ridiculous. If the biggest organisation in the world has discontinued support for it, that's telling you something. I'd put money on it that there are less than 10k internet users worldwide using IE4.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
This will show that only 0.5% of the visitors of w3schools in july 2002 was still using IE4.

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
Stats on the usage of IE4, vary from 0.05% to 0.45%

Also have a look at:
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/June/browser.php
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/bstats/latest-month.html
http://www.webreference.com/stats/browser.html (there are still hits on IE3, maybe we should support that too :D)



PS have a look at these stats from 1996: :D
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/browsers_dec96.html

well looking at this: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=74
let's say this post/requirement by zachery has been negated :)


also from http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=63
i suggest people play on the technicallities of the post.

Even so, if somthing like that won't manage on IE5 its not going to cut it either. I do know alotof people still running IE5

5.0 is a big cry from 4.0 and alot easier to support.

Yep sabe, IE5 is very easy to deal with once you know the bugs it has :)

Shouldn't it be easier to list the bugs it doesn't have? ;)

Satan

Microsoft call them features. :D

f00ls! No products from M$ have bugs, they have unexpected features.

LOL

Wow... that made my morning. :p

So... anyone advancing on the CSS-only style for vBulletin yet? :ninja:

I'm watching the competition, ready to steal their style ;)

Satan

$samepoint_samejoke = array_merge(marco's post, revan's post);

They aren't arrays :p

Satan

damn you

they are now :p

Indeed :p

However that won't work in 3.5 :p

Satan

You're both missing a closing parentheses on this line:
while ($og_jokes = $db->fetch_array($original_jokes)

Shame on you both...

I merely copied his code and altered it :p

He is to blame lol:squareeyed:

Corrected in mine ;)

Satan

a mistake in code is the sign of a true coding genius ;) :p

That is why they made me a mod, i am a genius in making mistakes.

I thoughts its because you deposited $1,000.00 in Brad's checking account.

Getting back on topic though, things are really hotting up in the thread, as discussion heats up over the matter you can really feel tempers flaring as vB fan-boys go against xhtml-activists, but for all the love of discussion nobody as of yes has excepted the challenge (which is why it needs the exposure of the .org portal). could this all go pear shaped? or will xhtml win out sighting a full template re-structure for 3.5 gold, it's all very exciting, especially with a perspective spot up for grabs in the admincp credits, we'll all have to watch very closely to see what happens as the battle of xhtml vs mega tablage battle continues. will the moaners show off their sheer ability or will they finally sit in silence, if you're good at xhtml you can decide, if you're not then support the threads with a post in the hope of an outcome eihter way, it's upto youuuuuuuuu.

as a fellow genius, i reckonised you. :ninja:

in a strange twist of fate, the thread now has it's own thread and move's here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146952

we'll tell you more about this as it happens :anchorman:

sabre u mean or accepted?
excepted means: To leave out
accepted means: To answer affirmatively
which one did u mean in your post?

He is trying to look like a genius. :D

totally meant accepted. :o

you know me too well :ninja: ;)

Trying but failing miserably ;)

Satan

I have seen one or two vB forums that uses no tables. Very nice looking but can't remember the links.