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Erwin 05-20-2005 11:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
People will start working on new hacks, and existing conversions, as soon as 3.5 is out, and they are going to want others to test their code. If you refuse to allow these people to host them here then they will simply go elsewhere. A loss to the vb.org community. As a side effect these hacks will then also become more readily available to all the 'less honest' boards as well, since no one else has a registration check system.
Exactly. I agree with you there too.

Erwin 05-20-2005 11:42 PM
The bottom line:

There is NO OFFICIAL POSITION by vBulletin.org YET.

Let's not assume things until we make the announcement one way or the other. :) Feel free to discuss it though.

In the meantime, as this site belongs to Jelsoft, we will discuss with Jelsoft.

It may be that during Beta testing, hacked Beta vB3.5 sites will not be allowed to report bugs.

I shall be discussing this issue as it's an important one.

Marco van Herwaarden 05-21-2005 08:12 AM
In my opinion the best way would be to only allow plugin type of hacks during the beta period.

Erwin 05-25-2005 06:59 AM
We are still discussing this. Just so you know.

Watson 05-25-2005 08:33 AM
Really looking forward to this coming out, I can see alot of potential for people to make some quick cash helping people upgrade and install some hacks again hehehe, I will be one of the payers probably :p

Well done vb team

Erwin 05-28-2005 10:27 PM
Update: This issue is still being discussed. :) No policy decision has been made yet.

WhSox21 05-28-2005 10:29 PM
Thanks for keeping us updated Erwin. :)

Paul M 05-28-2005 10:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcoH64
In my opinion the best way would be to only allow plugin type of hacks during the beta period.
Seems a sensible option, since this is testing an official method, and not altering the base code.

Erwin 05-29-2005 03:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
Seems a sensible option, since this is testing an official method, and not altering the base code.
True but plugins can only go so far - some hacks will require code editing. It will be good for hack authors to try their best to make their hacks plugin so that upgrading would be easier for everyone though.

Logikos 05-29-2005 06:51 AM
I don't see the plugin system being such a success. I mean, take for an example: Theres a query beeing runned in showthread.php. Would if the hack you create can be added to that same query to do what you want. With the plugin, you would have to run a addtional query.

WhSox21 05-29-2005 07:05 AM
Unless there is a condition that check for such things to include wildcards or something along those lines.

Brad 05-29-2005 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Live Wire
I don't see the plugin system being such a success. I mean, take for an example: Theres a query beeing runned in showthread.php. Would if the hack you create can be added to that same query to do what you want. With the plugin, you would have to run a addtional query.
Sometimes two queries are better then one big one, it all depends on the code and how the db is laid out..

In fact no one has seen the new code yet, so at this point we are all flying blind. ;)

sabret00the 05-29-2005 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Live Wire
I don't see the plugin system being such a success. I mean, take for an example: Theres a query beeing runned in showthread.php. Would if the hack you create can be added to that same query to do what you want. With the plugin, you would have to run a addtional query.
from what i've gathered, you'd probably get a plug-in spot either side of your query (the ones you're most likely to edit) and at that point you could as yours with a conditional leaving theirs in the else ;)

Erwin 05-30-2005 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Live Wire
I don't see the plugin system being such a success. I mean, take for an example: Theres a query beeing runned in showthread.php. Would if the hack you create can be added to that same query to do what you want. With the plugin, you would have to run a addtional query.
Not that I know but I think queries are going to be centralized and sanity checked automatically which makes plugin hacks automatically more secure and you can pull variables in easily without adding new queries. I'm just guessing from what I've read here and there.

Erwin 05-30-2005 01:08 AM
Also, it would appear that most of the current vB3 hacks may actually work in 3.5 as you can switch on a "legacy" mode which makes it use the older none-plugin system code - this will make the code less optimized but old hacks will appear to work until you upgrade them. Again, I cannot confirm this, as I've only read this somewhere.

GoTTi 06-02-2005 08:09 PM
its not gunna be easy to install hacks on 3.5!!!!cuz us coders and designers and hackers love to modify the hell out of our boards ;p so we gunna make it as complicated as we can.

j/k im kinda anticipating this rls.

/me stares and chants "open open open open"

Erwin 06-02-2005 11:42 PM
The decision has more or less been finalised. Pending last minute changes I will make the formal announcement regarding vB 3.5 beta hacks in 24 hours. ;)

Erwin 06-04-2005 11:05 AM
It's official:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=82489


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