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DrkFusion 08-27-2002 08:59 PM

Ok whatever :ninja:

Clinton has skills.

Boofo 08-27-2002 09:09 PM

I was going to say Reagan, but I didn't know how many of you would remember that era. To be honest with you, I kind-of admire Clinton. Not for any of his policies, but for all that he got away with while in the White House. :)

Quote:

Originally posted by DrkFusion
Ok whatever :ninja:

Clinton has skills.


DrkFusion 08-27-2002 09:12 PM

Clinton has a big nose

DrkFusion 08-27-2002 09:13 PM

Lol..the last few posts were just pointless ;)

Ninth Dimension 08-27-2002 09:13 PM

see how easy it is to go off-topic on this forum (but i will admit that "sometimes" it's OK, even funny :))

Lanigironu 08-27-2002 09:22 PM

I'm sorry to have to say this, John, but if that incredibly simple hack required 65 pages of support (at least 20 of which were strictly arcade hack discussion of course), then it's your own fault for releasing such a buggy hack.

I myself am a beginner at PHP, so I am not one to say when code is good or bad. However, a certain advanced user from this message board told me that your hack was written in a horrible way. That user managed to nearly halve the amount of queries without losing any functionality or compromising security. Now that's something. Even I found a way to get rid of at least 4 queries just by looking at the code.

The quality of your work is what led to 65 pages of support, not the incompetence of people. If you spent time making the hack better, it would not be a problem.

Now judging from just that hack (since you haven't released anything else), I woulld never entrust my money in you to get another one from you, it would probably be just as messy and inefficient code-wise.

The fact that your hack is so simple is another problem. When Overgrow started selling the Karma hack, he had it integrated into nearly every aspect of the message board and site. He also installed it for you, so I am told. What you are giving is a very simple hack (hell, it took me 10 minutes to edit that Snake game you have and have it working perfectly with the leaderboard and all) that is not impressive in any way.

You really did bring it up on yourself.

John 08-27-2002 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanigironu
I'm sorry to have to say this, John, but if that incredibly simple hack required 65 pages of support (at least 20 of which were strictly arcade hack discussion of course), then it's your own fault for releasing such a buggy hack.

I myself am a beginner at PHP, so I am not one to say when code is good or bad. However, a certain advanced user from this message board told me that your hack was written in a horrible way. That user managed to nearly halve the amount of queries without losing any functionality or compromising security. Now that's something. Even I found a way to get rid of at least 4 queries just by looking at the code.

The quality of your work is what led to 65 pages of support, not the incompetence of people. If you spent time making the hack better, it would not be a problem.

Now judging from just that hack (since you haven't released anything else), I woulld never entrust my money in you to get another one from you, it would probably be just as messy and inefficient code-wise.

The fact that your hack is so simple is another problem. When Overgrow started selling the Karma hack, he had it integrated into nearly every aspect of the message board and site. He also installed it for you, so I am told. What you are giving is a very simple hack (hell, it took me 10 minutes to edit that Snake game you have and have it working perfectly with the leaderboard and all) that is not impressive in any way.

You really did bring it up on yourself.

This is why I don't do business with kids.

Boofo 08-27-2002 09:29 PM

That hurt, Drk. (Well, I'm over that now.) :)

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Originally posted by DrkFusion
Lol..the last few posts were just pointless ;)

NTLDR 08-27-2002 09:30 PM

As this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread perhaps the bickering should stop here?

John 08-27-2002 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanigironu

The fact that your hack is so simple is another problem. When Overgrow started selling the Karma hack, he had it integrated into nearly every aspect of the message board and site. He also installed it for you, so I am told.

First I've heard of it - never used the Karma hack in my life.

Link14716 08-27-2002 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanigironu
I'm sorry to have to say this, John, but if that incredibly simple hack required 65 pages of support (at least 20 of which were strictly arcade hack discussion of course), then it's your own fault for releasing such a buggy hack.

I myself am a beginner at PHP, so I am not one to say when code is good or bad. However, a certain advanced user from this message board told me that your hack was written in a horrible way. That user managed to nearly halve the amount of queries without losing any functionality or compromising security. Now that's something. Even I found a way to get rid of at least 4 queries just by looking at the code.

The quality of your work is what led to 65 pages of support, not the incompetence of people. If you spent time making the hack better, it would not be a problem.

Now judging from just that hack (since you haven't released anything else), I woulld never entrust my money in you to get another one from you, it would probably be just as messy and inefficient code-wise.

The fact that your hack is so simple is another problem. When Overgrow started selling the Karma hack, he had it integrated into nearly every aspect of the message board and site. He also installed it for you, so I am told. What you are giving is a very simple hack (hell, it took me 10 minutes to edit that Snake game you have and have it working perfectly with the leaderboard and all) that is not impressive in any way.

You really did bring it up on yourself.

Most of it wasn't support jackass. He wrote the script, can you right a secure script like his in 10 inutes? I would be amazed if you did it in 2 weeks. Kiss my ass, you ++++tard.

Lanigironu 08-27-2002 09:40 PM

His security features were inefficient and cumbersome. They added unnecessary queries.

And yes, I can write a script like his, even better, but I decided to aid futureal make his better instead of writing one from scratch.

I could write a script like that in one day, and I am a begginer. I'm sure somebody like FireFly could easily write the whole Arcade hack in one hour.

Link14716 08-27-2002 09:41 PM

Fine then. Post it here tommorow, I would like to see how much you'd rip off his.

Oh, they were cumbersome, unnecesary? Go ahead and attempt to cheat on one of them.

zootsuit 08-27-2002 09:43 PM

What really is childish is deleting the hack and running away.

I can't believe you thought you didn't at least 'entice' others into thinking you were going to release the arcade hack publically...

In Erwin's first thread, which is where you got the idea, you mentioned you were going to install the leaderboard [which you did], then you said the next thing to come for us was the Store Integration [because you already said you had it - we, uh, saw the SS], be patient you said...then it turned out to not be that and just be a full blown aracde thing...fine...then it's a pay hack...

...and you're supporting it in THESE forums.

Karma was incredible and was worth the $30 - As I said, I have no problem paying for a hack that I feel deserves it...but yours was a let down - in my opinion of course.

Well, I guess it's true, what begins big, crashes big.

Boofo 08-27-2002 09:44 PM

Hey, Link, where you been, my friend? I was wondering when you would show up in here. I'll admit that Lanigironu might have went a little far with that one but we all need to keep a cool head here. And as far as the code, if I remember right, Erwin wrote the original code to the tetris hack. :)

Glad to see you around here. ;)

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Originally posted by Link14716


Most of it wasn't support jackass. He wrote the script, can you right a secure script like his in 10 inutes? I would be amazed if you did it in 2 weeks. Kiss my ass, you ++++tard.


John 08-27-2002 09:44 PM

I offered to release the arcade hack zootsuit, but I don't have the time to support it.

John 08-27-2002 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zootsuit
What really is childish is deleting the hack and running away.

No, I'm just tired of the whole thing. Sheesh, first I can't keep it open, then I can't keep it closed!

If you want the arcade hack, ask me for it. Simple. I'm not releasing it on vb.org, because apparently I'm not allowed to.

NexDog 08-27-2002 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boofo
But how many hacks and help has John gotten from here that he was not charged for or had to pay any "donation" and this is how he pays all of that back to the community? We should all be here to help one another and have some fun while doing it. If someone wants to "sell" their hack, fine, just do it on their own site and don't involve the community here. It's a cheap shot to take advantage of the users here by baiting. Sorry, that's just my opinion.

And anyone who releases hacks without any support is not a whole lot better. Because then, instead of charging for the hack, you will have to pay for the support. How many hacks have you gotten from here that did not have support?

Boofo, that's a bit out of order. John has put alot back in by way of his first tetris/Leaderboard hack. :ermm:

NexDog 08-27-2002 09:53 PM

Lanigironu, count your people and social skills as also being at the beginner level.

You so great
You are so mighty
You are so young


.....and it shows. ;)

NexDog 08-27-2002 09:55 PM

And it was 65 pages of "interest" and not support. God, all you kids are spoiling this. Jealous that some other kids got more pocket money so they could pay John a tenner.

Life is set to disappoint. :D

Link14716 08-27-2002 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NexDog
And it was 65 pages of "interest" and not support. God, all you kids are spoiling this. Jealous that some other kids got more pocket money so they could pay John a tenner.

Life is set to disappoint. :D

As I was saying.

And BTW, John, I loved you hacks and I have you added (as squall14716/webmaster@vggmn.com) on my contact lists. I want your arcade hack, support, no support, doesn't matter to me.

And BTW, I think people should stop bashing John because he made a good hack that you would have never been able to do. Respect, people, it is what your sorry asses needs to learn.

zootsuit 08-27-2002 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link14716
Respect, people, it is what your sorry asses needs to learn.
For me, it has nothing to do with respect. I respect his work. I know what time and effort it takes to do something like that...

I just think he should've been upfront in the beginning about charging and moved his entourage to his own forums for support. It just seems obvious that he used this forum for his own personal gain.

My personal opinion, as always... :bunny:

Lanigironu 08-27-2002 10:10 PM

Yeah, my people skills and social skills are lacking, you're right. After all, there's no arguing with an analysis of a stranger that doesn't know you.

Think before you insult people. I told John what I thought of his hacks, and it is all true. When I tried to help him out by giving him feedback on his working version of the arcade hack, he insulted me. I don't see why I have to show any respect to him.

I already said that it would be stupid to remake a whole arcade hack from scratch. futureal made a great hack, and I will help him make it even better, and even try to integrate my Flash Player hack into his.

Link14716 08-27-2002 10:10 PM

Maybe he wasn't going to sell it at the begining. Read some of the earlier posts. Maybe he just wanting some honest donations? Maybe, just maybe, dumbasses contributed to him not publicly releasing it? Or was it because he had a leased licence? He didn't sell the Tetris hack, so why be upfront about a hack that didn't even exist yet?

Link14716 08-27-2002 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanigironu
Yeah, my people skills and social skills are lacking, you're right. After all, there's no arguing with an analysis of a stranger that doesn't know you.

Think before you insult people. I told John what I thought of his hacks, and it is all true. When I tried to help him out by giving him feedback on his working version of the arcade hack, he insulted me. I don't see why I have to show any respect to him.

I already said that it would be stupid to remake a whole arcade hack from scratch. futureal made a great hack, and I will help him make it even better, and even try to integrate my Flash Player hack into his.

No no no, you said you could make one in a day. Prove it.

futureal 08-27-2002 10:11 PM

Well, this was not what I wanted this thread to turn into. Give it a rest, guys.

Link14716 08-27-2002 10:13 PM

No, I want to see his sorry ass do it.

Boofo 08-27-2002 10:14 PM

Sorry, have to disagree with you here. I never said he didn't do as lot of hard work on it. I'm sure he put a lot of hours and sweat into it and I admire anyone who can do what he has done with a hack. But I could release 100 hacks here and still never be able to give back to this fine community everything I have gotten from it either by friendship or learning about php and hacking. Cost should never be associated with a place like vb.org. That takes all of the fun out of hacking and learning.

Quote:

Originally posted by NexDog

Boofo, that's a bit out of order. John has put alot back in by way of his first tetris/Leaderboard hack. :ermm:


Lanigironu 08-27-2002 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link14716


No no no, you said you could make one in a day. Prove it.

I don't need to prove anything to you.

Link14716 08-27-2002 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lanigironu


I don't need to prove anything to you.

That's because you can't, asshole.

Lanigironu 08-27-2002 10:26 PM

I can, but I don't need to prove it to you. Trying to anger me so I do it to make you shut up is very stupid.

I prefer to spend my time on something more uselfull, like finding more games that can be modified.

NexDog 08-27-2002 10:26 PM

I see your point 100%. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. But if everyone started doing it, that would suck. Like I said in Daniel's poll, if the hack is extraordinary, then I don't mind.

But I'm a taker all the way. The only thing I can ever give back all you php geniuses is feedback and praise. (And a couple of bucks if the need arises).

zootsuit 08-27-2002 10:26 PM

Guys, c'mon...

Have a dancin' :banana:

Goldknight 08-27-2002 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zootsuit
Guys, c'mon...

Have a dancin' :banana:

Yeah! ---> :dance: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

DrkFusion 08-27-2002 10:53 PM

<font size="4">THATS IT...SOMEONE MAKE ME MOD OF THE LOUNGE...IM GONNA TAKE CARE OF THESE ++++ERS!! THE MANLY WAY :rambo: </font>

Boofo 08-27-2002 10:58 PM

Ohhh, now you guys (and gals) went and did it. You made Drk mad. I'm outta here. I've seen him like this one other time and I'm still recovering from it. BYE!

Link14716 08-27-2002 11:03 PM

*runs*

NexDog 08-27-2002 11:35 PM

See ya!!!

DrkFusion 08-28-2002 12:48 AM

:stares@everyone:

Yea thought so

Boofo 08-28-2002 12:52 AM

After what you did to me the last time, I am forever your humble servant. A lesson learned that I hope no on else ever has to experienece.

Quote:

Originally posted by DrkFusion
:stares@everyone:

Yea thought so



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