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final kaoss 10-24-2013 02:37 AM

Have a second look at my post instead of quoting and you'll see that what you quoted is no longer there.
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Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2455752)
Yep I am very familiar with that. It has nothing to do with first byte time from server, and also you might note the OP is doing all of his tests thus far using Firefox:
Web Page Performance Test for
globalhax.com

From: Dulles, VA - Firefox - Cable
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:38:42 PM
That article is all about supporting IE better.;)This information is ammunition to give to your current host, proving the first byte time from the server is quite slow. Changing hosts won't guarantee you better first byte time.

But the BIG stuff is, the amount of problems alot of your add-ons are causing.


Max Taxable 10-24-2013 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by final kaoss (Post 2455753)
Have a second look at my post instead of quoting and you'll see that what you quoted is no longer there.

Excellent. But it was when I quoted it.:D

The OPs problems start with the first byte time but in all reality, we're talking about less than a second there. The REAL problems are some of his add-ons I think he needs to decide if they're worth the slow loading they cause.

Would you agree? Because clearly with the hooks system off, he has very good pageload times.

Edit to add: He is getting a "B" grade now on his first byte time, that number will be more or less depending on the rest of the server load from other sites hosted on same machine.

0.749s <--- First byte time on last test. Not shabby.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 02:44 AM

ok all done with htaccess

final kaoss 10-24-2013 02:44 AM

Possibly the plugin is to blame but I usually find very differing results when using gtmetrix ms webpage test when testing the load times. Each site has their pluses, for gtmetrix, I think it shows a better representation of page load times, while webpagetest shows more detail into what needs fixing.

For example in his earlier tests, when webpagetest said his page took 100+ seconds to load, gtmetrix would say it took around 7.

--------------- Added [DATE]1382586581[/DATE] at [TIME]1382586581[/TIME] ---------------

Who is your host? It doesn't appear that you've set it up right.
http://gtmetrix.com/reports/globalhax.com/4fbccaU0
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Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLZ (Post 2455756)
ok all done with htaccess


Max Taxable 10-24-2013 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by final kaoss (Post 2455757)

For example in his earlier tests, when webpagetest said his page took 100+ seconds to load, gtmetrix would say it took around 7.

WebPageTest's pedigree is, it is owned and maintained by Google's Tech President, Patrick Meehan. So it's the only one I use - if you test good there you test good anywhere. You have no idea what browser or connection you're testing on with other "test" sites, with Meehan not only do you know, you can test dozens of combinations in browsers, locations, connection speeds, and even mobile testing.

The waterfall chart I posted earlier clearly shows a few of his plugins are really killing his load times. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....66&postcount=6

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 02:52 AM

Host is knownsrv. and even with the plugins my last site had same plugins+ more and was way faster?

Max Taxable 10-24-2013 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLZ (Post 2455761)
Host is knownsrv. and even with the plugins my last site had same plugins+ more and was way faster?

You just have to study the waterfall charts, run several tests with different locations, connections and browsers to really start getting a full picture and see what is consistently holding your pageloads up. It's not a one night deal, it took me a couple of weeks to get mine consistently loading in less than 2 seconds (full load) on any test you want to run.

Here's what I'm getting right now, the Firefox cable connection in Dulles:
First byte: 0.612s

Fully loaded: 1.679s 42 Requests 184 KB Bytes in.
And I am highly customized and have alot of plugins/add-ons.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 03:05 AM

hmmm, so i need to contact host?

Max Taxable 10-24-2013 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLZ (Post 2455764)
hmmm, so i need to contact host?

The first byte time is less than a second of your pageload time. That's minor.

You have to determine which if any of your add-ons or plugins is loading slow. You also have some 3rd party scripts that are giving you 404 errors. These are the big items that are slowing you down.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 03:20 AM

Its showing 3 seconds when i do it

final kaoss 10-24-2013 03:29 AM

Like I said, I agree that webpage test is good but there's nothing wrong with gtmetrix either. Also, sure there are other "test sites" as you called them but I don't refer to them either. Gtmetrix & webpage test are the only two that I normally refer people to when they have issues. One of the main reasons I refer gtmetrix is because it helps quite a bit with troubleshooting, if not for that site and it's constant measurements, I wouldn't see pagespeed scores nearly as high as they are now on my sites, such as these scores:
http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.odys...e.com/A6Hzpz3M
http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.vide...t.com/dr6Q02hf

Also with gtmetrix you have the choice between firefox & google chrome, with different locations & speeds to pick from, just like with webpagetest.

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Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2455760)
WebPageTest's pedigree is, it is owned and maintained by Google's Tech President, Patrick Meehan. So it's the only one I use - if you test good there you test good anywhere. You have no idea what browser or connection you're testing on with other "test" sites, with Meehan not only do you know, you can test dozens of combinations in browsers, locations, connection speeds, and even mobile testing.

The waterfall chart I posted earlier clearly shows a few of his plugins are really killing his load times. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....66&postcount=6


Max Taxable 10-24-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by final kaoss (Post 2455771)
Like I said, I agree that webpage test is good but there's nothing wrong with gtmetrix either. Also, sure there are other "test sites" as you called them but I don't refer to them either. Gtmetrix & webpage test are the only two that I normally refer people to when they have issues. One of the main reasons I refer gtmetrix is because it helps quite a bit with troubleshooting, if not for that site and it's constant measurements, I wouldn't see pagespeed scores nearly as high as they are now on my sites, such as these scores:
http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.odys...e.com/A6Hzpz3M
http://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.vide...t.com/dr6Q02hf

Also with gtmetrix you have the choice between firefox & google chrome, with different locations & speeds to pick from, just like with webpagetest.

I just try to keep it as simple as possible, when helping someone who is admittedly a novice on web page speed optimization.

"You pick the one, right tool."

I call a test site suspect if it's giving me all rainbows and sugar plums, while at the same time meehan is showing what's actually wrong. Plus, it's just going to confuse the novice.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 06:48 PM

Thank you everyone for your time and help. With the help of a great guy and a little explaining to me (host times were terrible) I was able to get my site over to a different host and could not be happier. Prob the quickest any of my sites have ever been. My server was located in the Netherlands which for some unknown reason i should of figured out it would be better here, or closer to home.

Max Taxable 10-24-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLZ (Post 2455925)
Thank you everyone for your time and help. With the help of a great guy and a little explaining to me (host times were terrible) I was able to get my site over to a different host and could not be happier. Prob the quickest any of my sites have ever been. My server was located in the Netherlands which for some unknown reason i should of figured out it would be better here, or closer to home.

Not any significant improvement in first byte time. Has the change completely propagated yet?

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/13...Z41/1/details/

Still getting 403 errors on three of your 3rd party adverts as well.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2455927)
Not any significant improvement in first byte time. Has the change completely propagated yet?

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/13...Z41/1/details/

Still getting 403 errors on three of your 3rd party adverts as well.

its been about 12 hours. Look at the overall improvement not just the first byte, and i have not changed anything other than host.. Site is loading many times faster with no lag.

403 error is coming from adsence. A spam bot posted movie downloads on my site. Should be taken care of soon.

Max Taxable 10-24-2013 10:21 PM

Yes it can take 24-48 hours for such changes to fully propagate through the whole internet.

I am glad you're happy now and was glad to help.

SPEEDKILLZ 10-24-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2455948)
Yes it can take 24-48 hours for such changes to fully propagate through the whole internet.

I am glad you're happy now and was glad to help.


I Sure Appreciate Your Help.

Max Taxable 10-24-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEEDKILLZ (Post 2455966)
I Sure Appreciate Your Help.

There's still work to do if you want really good speed, like GZip and some other stuff. Just tested you again and really seeing no difference from last night.


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