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09-12-2011 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Octavius. (Post 2244091)
What are your security settings? I think I have mine on low. Let me know what you have because I'm unsure which is the best settings without causing too many captcha problems.
Low wouldn't block too many visitors with a challenge page (we generally recommend Medium as a default, however).

Note: why visitors get challenged by CloudFlare.

Max Taxable 09-13-2011 04:04 PM
Cloud Flare.

I read this thread.

Tried it.

Like it. Alot.

So far.

09-13-2011 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2245408)
Cloud Flare.

I read this thread.

Tried it.

Like it. Alot.

So far.
Awesome. Definitely let us know if you have any questions about CloudFlare!

Max Taxable 09-13-2011 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by damoncloudflare (Post 2245500)
Awesome. Definitely let us know if you have any questions about CloudFlare!
Minor issue, it does not seem to be counting any stats at all.

8thos 09-13-2011 08:42 PM
It takes awhile Max. Wait a day or two. Their stats have been more reliable to me than Google Webmaster Tools and Analytics btw.

09-13-2011 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2245535)
Minor issue, it does not seem to be counting any stats at all.
In your CloudFlare stats? I do need to advise that there is a 24-hour delay for stats for free accounts (24 hours from the time the actual nameserver switch happened).

Also: Very important to make sure that you have all of your zone records in your DNS settings. A common issue is that folks have a www subdomain missing in their DNS settings, so traffic could appear lower until that CNAME is added. You can check your DNS settings by going to: settings->DNS Settings on CloudFlare.

Max Taxable 09-13-2011 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by damoncloudflare (Post 2245537)
In your CloudFlare stats? I do need to advise that there is a 24-hour delay for stats for free accounts (24 hours from the time the actual nameserver switch happened).

Also: Very important to make sure that you have all of your zone records in your DNS settings. A common issue is that folks have a www subdomain missing in their DNS settings, so traffic could appear lower until that CNAME is added. You can check your DNS settings by going to: settings->DNS Settings on CloudFlare.
Thanks for the fast reply. No subdomains missing, the DNS settings are perfect.

I figured there would be a 24-48 hour delay on the stats. Not a biggie.

Max Taxable 09-15-2011 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brakkish (Post 2232801)
I tried Cloudflare for a week. After receiving feedback from our users and weighing the cons and pros it provides, we elected it wasn't for us.

Secondary problems were encountered when trying to cancel the service. Easy to sign up (easy to find buttons), but had a somewhat difficult time cancelling the service. (no buttons at the time to uninstall/cancel service.) Which led me searching through emails to find a point of contact, then waiting for a response, meanwhile my community was experiencing some residual hiccups from the service as I continued communications with a tech via emails over the next 36hrs to finalize cancellation.

To their defense, the service was in beta at the time. Perhaps the ability to simply cancel the service on the user's end has been added or at least somewhat streamlined by this time. (however I was under the impression this wasn't in their immediate lineup; making it easy for users to cancel isn't exactly good business sense right? *nudge - poke*
I don't understand this. To me it looks like cancelling CloudFlare is as easy as switching nameservers back the way they were before and reverting the one file edit. Am I missing something?

09-19-2011 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2246548)
I don't understand this. To me it looks like cancelling CloudFlare is as easy as switching nameservers back the way they were before and reverting the one file edit. Am I missing something?
"I don't understand this. To me it looks like cancelling CloudFlare is as easy as switching nameservers back the way they were before and reverting the one file edit. Am I missing something?"

It actually is that easy. Or you an turn it off in the hosting provider cPanel if you activated that way (there are two ways to activate CloudFlare, direct or through an approved hosting partner).

It is a little more complex if someone did something strange (creating multiple accounts, changing nameservers via a hosting provider when they don't need to, etc.).

8thos 11-30-2011 03:39 AM
I had to stop using cloudflare on my main forum because it would make my pages unavailable often. It was very annoying. I got it working on another site but people rarely visit that one so it's all good.

11-30-2011 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Octavius. (Post 2273272)
I had to stop using cloudflare on my main forum because it would make my pages unavailable often. It was very annoying. I got it working on another site but people rarely visit that one so it's all good.
How was it making the pages unavailable? It is very important to make sure requests from CloudFlare aren't being blocked or limited at the hosting provider or server level.

Lee G 12-01-2011 10:05 AM
Im looking at using cloudflare on my forum.
What settings are you guys using that use it?
Best and optimal performance

So far the only thing you need to edit is one file from what I have read, if you run a 3.8 forum

On my low level, static page, websites, so far it looks good with limited testing

12-01-2011 10:18 AM
"So far the only thing you need to edit is one file from what I have read, if you run a 3.8 forum"

More than happy to answer any questions about CloudFlare. You do want to make that change if you want original visitor IP returned to you & this is actually kind of important because all visitors would like our IPs without making that change to VB (which can impact a variety of things, including the ability to block by IP).

Some helpful tips:
CloudFlare and forums
Tips for new users

Princeton 12-01-2011 01:38 PM
please keep support for cloudflare off of vbulletin.org

forum4 03-21-2012 04:32 PM
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but back to topic. I've been using Cloudfare, and all I had to do was edit that one file. Everything else went smooth.

I read MaxCDN wasn't so fast in Europe, so I didn't sign up for their free offer when I bought vBseo. I hadn't really thought much about a CDN until checking into it further. Having no interest in paying for something that I could have gotten for free, I went with Cloudfare. All seems fine so far.

Max Taxable 03-21-2012 04:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by forum4 (Post 2311778)
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but back to topic. I've been using Cloudfare, and all I had to do was edit that one file. Everything else went smooth.

I read MaxCDN wasn't so fast in Europe, so I didn't sign up for their free offer when I bought vBseo. I hadn't really thought much about a CDN until checking into it further. Having no interest in paying for something that I could have gotten for free, I went with Cloudfare. All seems fine so far.
It's been working well for me too. I do fear however, that it won't stay free.

03-21-2012 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Taxable (Post 2311782)
It's been working well for me too. I do fear however, that it won't stay free.
We always plan to offer a free service. We have other ways of monetizing the service (features, apps) so we can offer free services.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Princeton (Post 2273669)
please keep support for cloudflare off of vbulletin.org

Sorry, I'm not trying to spammy at all (just addressing specific issues relative to CloudFlare so you don't have to). Drop me a line, if you wish (just saw the above post).

tafreeh 03-22-2012 11:57 PM
OKay, Imma give it a shot. I m using vb4* DO I still need to edit that file with same code ?

forum4 03-23-2012 11:09 PM
I did notice that I have to bypass Cloudflare to get to the cpanel, and that's kind of a pain.

Plus, my Living Avatars won't work anymore as it's not picking up the cookie or something. It just kept saying I had to log into the forum, which I already was. It kind of reminded me about the cpanel issue. If you don't bypass Cloudlfare, it will keep making you log in over and over.

I know there are issues about chat as well. The recommendation was to install the chat on a subdomain, which I don't think we can do with Living Avatars.

Update: Totally not using Cloudflare anymore. For some odd reason vbseo changes the url of the sigpic, and Cloudflare can't find it when it's turned on. That and I don't think there's a way to use it with Living Avatars...bummer. Having to log in over and over was another annoyance.

final kaoss 06-19-2012 07:41 PM
Just one thing to note, rocketloader & the vb4 ckeditor do not play nicely. When enabled, the toolbars for the editor fail to load. Disable rocketloader, leave the page & reload the editor, voila, working again.

06-19-2012 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by extreme-gaming (Post 2341183)
Just one thing to note, rocketloader & the vb4 ckeditor do not play nicely. When enabled, the toolbars for the editor fail to load. Disable rocketloader, leave the page & reload the editor, voila, working again.
Rocket Loader can break some JS functions. I would definitely report the bug to us here. You could probably look at putting in a CloudFlare Page Rule so it doesn't impact certain URL(s) as well.

final kaoss 06-19-2012 08:28 PM
I already put in a bug report before I posted. Can you define a rule for me then? (I'm not too familiar with that..)
http://www.vgchat.info/forum
is my forum.

Pretty much any page where the ckloader loads is affected... members page visitor messages, group reply's, album reply's, quick reply in showthread and of course the newthread template itself & probably other pages.

06-19-2012 09:09 PM
Probably best to let you do it (details here).

Note: I put a PageRule in for you (you can look for the option by going to settings->PageRules).

final kaoss 06-19-2012 09:32 PM
Well I did manage to get the newthread rule to work, however the newreply one still refuses to work.

Now it finally wants to work :)

BirdOPrey5 06-20-2012 01:03 AM
Do you guys put in some script to automatically break a site out of a frame if it has been framed? I saw it cause someone's Admin CP to not work (since it uses frames) and it looked like something introduced by Cloud Flare.

final kaoss 06-20-2012 01:45 AM
Im starting to notice this too.. It says.. "thanks for logging in (username), redirecting" and instead of sending me to the admin cp it just sends me back to the login page.

Max Taxable 06-20-2012 02:02 AM
Haven't had any problem with that myself.

final kaoss 06-20-2012 10:45 PM
I know what was causing that issue. The rocketloader was responsible at least in my case for the admincp AND ckeditor issues..

Zachery 06-21-2012 09:16 PM
What exactly does rocketloader do?

final kaoss 06-21-2012 09:28 PM
It combines (I think) javascript & async's them so that they are the last to load.
http://blog.cloudflare.com/56590463


Rocket Loader™ (Web optimization)/ Beta

Automatically asynchronously load all JavaScript resources. Learn more…
This feature is currently in beta! Please help us out by submitting bug reports related to this feature here.

http://support.cloudflare.com/cgi/kb...et-loadertm-do
Quote:
Originally Posted by What does Rocket Loader™ do?

Rocket Loader is a general-purpose asynchronous JavaScript loader coupled with a lightweight virtual browser which can safely run any JavaScript code after window.onload. In other words, it turns a page which takes 12 seconds to load into a page which takes 2 seconds to load.

Recently, Google Improved AdSense so Google Ads no longer slows down your pages. What Google did is similar to what Rocket Loader does, except Rocket Loader does it for anything - ads, social media widgets, video players, even your own JavaScript code.

Turning on Rocket Loader will immediately improve a web page's window.onload time (assuming there is JavaScript on the page), which can have a positive impact on your Google search ranking.

Zachery 06-22-2012 12:40 AM
So, maybe i'm confused, shouldn't you submit bugs?

I would argue you don't even want sensitive info like the AdminCP backend to have anything fancy done to it.

In an ideal world wouldn't they give you the ability to disable it for specific folders/files?

final kaoss 06-22-2012 11:48 AM
Well like this guy stated... you can block it off from loading in certain area's... Trouble is that you only get 3 pagerules to start with from the free service. Of course the ckeditor alone loads in more than just one place:
Showthread
Member visitor message
Newreply
New Thread
Blog posting
CMS Article posting
Groups

Quote:
Originally Posted by damoncloudflare (Post 2341226)
Probably best to let you do it (details here).

Note: I put a PageRule in for you (you can look for the option by going to settings->PageRules).

Zachery 06-22-2012 04:15 PM
Maybe you should request that they just exclude the ckeditor from ever using their service? Surely they can adapt to that.

It seems like you're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place here.

At that point, you've excluded half the most viewed pages of your forum, whats the point of the service?

final kaoss 06-22-2012 06:34 PM
Your response makes it seem that you think they only made this for vbulletin. Cloudflare can be used by ANY kind of software used to make a site with. They can't just exclude the ckeditor from ever using their service, because how would they?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zachery (Post 2342081)
Maybe you should request that they just exclude the ckeditor from ever using their service? Surely they can adapt to that.

It seems like you're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place here.

At that point, you've excluded half the most viewed pages of your forum, whats the point of the service?

Zachery 06-24-2012 12:46 PM
I would imagine if ckeditor isn't working in vBulletin its not working anywhere else either.

And I would also argue that a large number of sites use vBulletin. It would be in their best intrests to develop rules that suite their customers.

So, my suggestions to submit bug reports/feature requests at their end sound valid.

final kaoss 06-25-2012 03:56 AM
Yes I do submit the bugs that I happen upon, always have. The thing with vbulletin's ckeditor is that it is heavily modded & custom coded and god only knows what kind of unholy things were done to it's javascript to implement it into vbulletin :)

One thing seems for certain though, if it is deferred it doesn't load and my understanding is that the async attribute contributes to this. (which cloudflare appends to javascript that it finds).

From all I know though, you've seen how the ckeditor code looks before getting thrown into the coding blender & shoved into the vbulletin product. With that said, the only instance I've seen ckeditor in is in vbulletin & invision... which I don't have an invision board to see if the rocketloader breaks it or not. So for now I'll take your word for it & give the ckeditor script in a whole the blame & look to see if I can find any other cms websites that use ckeditor as an editor and attempt to test those via cloudflare's rocketloader.

Quote:
In order to load a page, the browser must parse the contents of all <script> tags, which adds additional time to the page load. By minimizing the amount of JavaScript needed to render the page, and deferring parsing of unneeded JavaScript until it needs to be executed, you can reduce the initial load time of your page.

Details from Google

There are several techniques that can be used to defer parsing of JavaScript. The simplest and preferred technique is to simply Defer loading of JavaScript until it is needed. A second technique is to use the <script async> attribute where appropriate, which prevents parsing from blocking the initial page load by deferring it until the browser's UI thread is not busy doing something else.

Paul M 06-25-2012 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by extreme-gaming (Post 2342691)
The thing with vbulletin's ckeditor is that it is heavily modded & custom coded and god only knows what kind of unholy things were done to it's javascript to implement it into vbulletin :)
Very little was done to the Javascript (quite deleberately, since any changes would have to be made everytime it was updated to the latest CKE version).

final kaoss 06-25-2012 11:03 AM
So what about the extra javascript that the team had to add in? In particular the editing buttons. The ckeditor will load with the rocketloader enabled but the editing buttons will not.

doctorsexy 08-14-2012 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 2164708)
Basically they act like a giant proxy server, your dns [for your site] points to thier servers, so a connecting client connects to them, and they then connect to your site. Thats why you need to make the edits to class core, without them all traffic to your site would appear to originate from their servers, so they pass on the original ip as an http variable.
I know this is an old post but would this be for apply for vb4.2.0 as well...:D thanks

Paul M 08-14-2012 11:59 PM
For cloudfare ? Yes.


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