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robwoelich 02-07-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GrossKopf (Post 1976932)
The Text Messaging section is not appearing in my User CP.

This is most likely because you have another modification breaking the template hook for the User CP links (YAFB is one of them). Try changing the execution order of the User CP plugins for the Text Messaging modification in your Plugin Manager. :up:

BlackJacket 02-07-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by robwoelich (Post 1976875)
Possible, yes, but not yet implemented.

For the first example, I would have to set up settings for users to specify which forums they wanted texts about/on new threads versus new replies/etc. This will probably be practical within the next version or two of Text Messaging.

For the second example, one of my originally intended notification types/methods was to send a text in accordance with thread subscriptions, i.e. whatever your thread subscription settings were to trigger an email, they would also trigger a text. The problem with that, though, is that the way the subscription notifications are set up with vBulletin, the messages would have to be modified to be text-friendly (160 chars). Until I could figure out a good way to do this, particularly with daily and weekly subscriptions where multiple threads are listed in an email, I decided to hold off. This will also probably be added at some point.

I'd like to find a lot more notification methods/options to add in future versions, and started with the general ones that I thought would be useful. As new versions of Text Messaging come out, though, you're likely to see more notifications options/methods. :)

Maybe have an option when creating a thread that allows the thread creator to check a box at the bottom of the page (under "Automatically convert links into videos" or "Disable smilies in text" etc... This way they do not have to subscribe to every thread they create.

Also instead of sending the entire message as a text (which most wouldn't fit the 160 limit) you could send a message stating "New reply to your (thread link)."

Some idea's i thought would be helpful. :)

GrossKopf 02-07-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by robwoelich (Post 1976938)
This is most likely because you have another modification breaking the template hook for the User CP links (YAFB is one of them). Try changing the execution order of the User CP plugins for the Text Messaging modification in your Plugin Manager. :up:

Do you know which entry I'd change? I found "User CP Text Messaging Options" and changed the execution order in there to a lower number than "Profile Start (profile.php)" in YAFB but it didn't work. Any idea which entry in YAFB I should change?

EDIT: I disabled YAFB temporarily and the options showed up in my profile. I put in my phone number and selected Verizon, entered the pin but didn't get the notification that I received a PM when I sent myself one. I did select the option to notify me on new PM's.

robwoelich 02-07-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrossKopf (Post 1976958)
Do you know which entry I'd change? I found "User CP Text Messaging Options" and changed the execution order in there to a lower number than "Profile Start (profile.php)" in YAFB but it didn't work. Any idea which entry in YAFB I should change?

EDIT: I disabled YAFB temporarily and the options showed up in my profile. I put in my phone number and selected Verizon, entered the pin but didn't get the notification that I received a PM when I sent myself one. I did select the option to notify me on new PM's.

In this case, you need to set the "User CP Navbar" plugin execution order to be higher than YAFB (i.e. 6). YAFB basically erases anything in that menu area before it puts the YAFB menu there, so the Text Messaging menu has to be set up after YAFB.

GrossKopf 02-07-2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by robwoelich (Post 1976991)
In this case, you need to set the "User CP Navbar" plugin execution order to be higher than YAFB (i.e. 6). YAFB basically erases anything in that menu area before it puts the YAFB menu there, so the Text Messaging menu has to be set up after YAFB.

I did that but it didn't work. I set that to 3. Also, I'm not getting the messages on my phone. I selected my company and entered my phone number. I made sure everything was checked to enable...

DBStattoo 02-08-2010 02:53 AM

hi me am whit bell mobility i cant see this compagny i see at&t and verizon im in canada its possible to add bell mobility, telus and rogers ???? this compagny its the most populair in quebec, canada

thanks

robwoelich 02-08-2010 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GrossKopf (Post 1977040)
I did that but it didn't work. I set that to 3. Also, I'm not getting the messages on my phone. I selected my company and entered my phone number. I made sure everything was checked to enable...

See my post in the YAFB modification for instructions on how to fix it.

I also updated the product ZIP file here to fix the problem with texts not sending. Anyone having issues should try the new file. :cool:

utahraves 02-08-2010 09:32 PM

I had a problem sending PMs after installing this. Uninstalled out of frustration and didn't have time to fix - great idea if the free version offered more providers.

Mrquarter2 02-08-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by robwoelich (Post 1977162)
See my post in the YAFB modification for instructions on how to fix it.

I also updated the product ZIP file here to fix the problem with texts not sending. Anyone having issues should try the new file. :cool:

It still does not work and I used the updated version.

rickrichards82 02-08-2010 11:10 PM

the subscription is outragiously expensive!

robwoelich 02-09-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrquarter2 (Post 1977828)
It still does not work and I used the updated version.

I can confirm that the updated version from the ZIP file is working on my test forum, so I'm not sure what's going on with your installation. :( The only recommendation I can make is that you re-upload all files, uninstall the product and reinstall the product XML.

cTak 02-09-2010 03:07 AM

I'd buy the pro version, IF users were able to send in mobile pictures from their cell phone to their account. Is this something you can add in the future?

JAFRI 02-09-2010 03:34 AM

nice, but , pakistan gsm not add this....

ChrisTech 02-09-2010 05:51 PM

This maybe a stupid question, but why didn't you use your previous mod (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=182988) to do the same thing? I believe this didn't need your server (and hence the fee's for free/paid) to send out the sms's.

That or someone just needs to basically redesign the wheel here...

TheSupportForum 02-09-2010 06:07 PM

what i would like to know

who gets this money on subscription charges ?
it doesn tseem right to me and there no support for UK customers --

robwoelich 02-10-2010 04:24 AM

Once again, this is not really an appropriate area to discuss the paid version of the modificaiton - this is where the free text messaging product is released and supported. I'm not going to respond to comments about the paid modification beyond that. :rolleyes:

TheSupportForum 02-10-2010 04:31 AM

problem is the mod is free but not the service
its nt very clear on your description of the product
people who download htis would think that what they are recieving is free is free but after the txt messaging is cocts so the mod is not free in the end

blake247 02-10-2010 04:51 AM

Thanks for the update! This mod rocks!

Megatr0n 02-10-2010 05:48 AM

Rob, can you please get back to my PM. :D

molieman 02-10-2010 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robwoelich (Post 1978859)
Once again, this is not really an appropriate area to discuss the paid version of the modificaiton - this is where the free text messaging product is released and supported. I'm not going to respond to comments about the paid modification beyond that. :rolleyes:

You've presented a product that is worthless to most of the world community, in essence you are advertising your paid version. Which in my opinion is inappropriate.

There are lot's of hard working coders here, they've put into their mods as much as you have with this product, without cost to us. That's what in my opinion, is what this site is about, correct me if I'm wrong.

I have no problem paying for a product, as I have in the past and will in the future, but this is ridiculous.

I think you have a wonderful product with fantastic opportunity, I suggest you approach this differently.

robwoelich 02-10-2010 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonhind (Post 1978861)
problem is the mod is free but not the service
its nt very clear on your description of the product
people who download htis would think that what they are recieving is free is free but after the txt messaging is cocts so the mod is not free in the end

The product and the sending of text messages from your forum is free. And with most US cell providers, receiving the texts is also free. If there were any charge whatsoever, it would be assessed to a cell phone owner for receiving a text message if their service plan didn't include free text messaging - and this would be a fee from their cell phone company - but this is noted on the cell phone number setup page, and as mentioned, is normally not the case.

Example 1: your cell phone plan includes free text messaging. You receive texts free (regardless of if the text comes from this modification, or another cell phone).

Example 2: your cell phone plan stipulates you receive texts at $0.05/text. You pay $0.05 for each text you receive (regardless of if the text comes from this modification, or another cell phone).

Does that clarify? :)

robwoelich 02-10-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molieman (Post 1978978)
You've presented a product that is worthless to most of the world community, in essence you are advertising your paid version. Which in my opinion is inappropriate.

There are lot's of hard working coders here, they've put into their mods as much as you have with this product, without cost to us. That's what in my opinion, is what this site is about, correct me if I'm wrong.

I have no problem paying for a product, as I have in the past and will in the future, but this is ridiculous.

I think you have a wonderful product with fantastic opportunity, I suggest you approach this differently.

I've presented a product that is fully functional in itself, for the purposes described in the modification description (sending text message notifications to forum users with specified cell phone companies, on specific forum actions, free of any charge except that which may or may not be assessed by the cell phone provider depending on the user's contract with the company), without any charge to use the modification itself.

This is in complete accordance with vBulletin.org's Paid Modification Rules:

Quote:

3.Lite versions of commercial modifications are permitted to be released here as long as:
A.It is a working modification
B.It is not time limited in any way
C.It is completely free to the user
D.It is stand alone and completely separate to the full version
E.A single link back to the commercial version is permitted, as long as no pricing or promotional language is used in the link or embedded into the lite version.
If I choose to provide a more advanced modification with full support for a fee, I have that ability. Others choose to put the work into their modifications (which may or may not be more advanced) at no cost. That's their choice. If you don't like that I'm able to charge a fee for my work, or you find the paid version to be too expensive or ridiculous, it is also your choice and ability to not use either the paid modification or the free modification.

The free modification adds real features and functions to a forum. If you don't find that useful, sounds like you've gotten a little too used to receiving all these modifications for free. And with that, I bid you good day and thank you for your interest in my modification.

wolfyman 02-10-2010 07:33 PM

Very cool, and kudos to you for developing something cool enough to get the freeloaders in a small uproar :D

What is the difference between paid and free?

Megatr0n 02-10-2010 08:19 PM

Rob, when will the 3.8 release be out?

rickrichards82 02-11-2010 12:22 AM

i doubt you will listen to me here but i'll post it anyways.

what you see as criticism is actually valuable customer feedback. lowering your prices might result in more profit in the end.

wolfyman 02-11-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rickrichards82 (Post 1979625)
i doubt you will listen to me here but i'll post it anyways.

what you see as criticism is actually valuable customer feedback. lowering your prices might result in more profit in the end.

lower prices come when competition comes. If there's no competition, he shouldn't even think about lowering his prices. Capitalism 101.

If you can give him competition, please - do! I like lower prices as well!

robwoelich 02-11-2010 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfyman (Post 1979410)
What is the difference between paid and free?

The paid version includes more notification types (new blog comment, new photo comment, new group member, new group discussion, new group photo, new user registration, someone on your contact list signed in) and has around 100 companies in several countries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatr0n (Post 1979438)
Rob, when will the 3.8 release be out?

As soon as I can get the time to finish it. I'm currently in the pre-process of moving, so my free time has been lower than it has been the last few months. I'd like to have it done within a week or two.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickrichards82 (Post 1979625)
i doubt you will listen to me here but i'll post it anyways.

what you see as criticism is actually valuable customer feedback. lowering your prices might result in more profit in the end.

Of course I'll listen. :) I just dislike irrational whining. Obviously I'm going to lower prices if demand wanes or doesn't exist, or as suggested, if some sort of competition showed up. The initial pricing was not random, but it wasn't supposed to be rock solid and never change either. I will most likely adjust pricing soon, just like I'll continue to add one or two companies to the free version at a time as I verify there are no critical bugs with the product.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfyman (Post 1979410)
Very cool, and kudos to you for developing something cool enough to get the freeloaders in a small uproar :D

Agreed... haha. It's kind of funny, everyone freaking out like I'm never going to expand support to more companies for the free version or lower prices on the full version. ;) There is always a method to my seemingly mad... madness? Either way, patience is a virtue.

meissenation 02-11-2010 01:59 AM

I think most of the people here are in an uproar because on your 3.8.x version, support for hundreds of SMS companies was 100% free. Now you roll out vb4.x version and alas there's hefty big subscription prices. I know when I first viewed this thread, I saw the support for only 2 carriers and that I had to pay for what was once included for free and said "No way in hell am I installing that." That said, thankfully my site is 99.999% US so now that you've included more carriers in your free/lite version, I can install and not worry about the subscriptions. Again, what once was offered free in your previous version you're now forcing international customers to people to pay for... that's the uproar.

TimberFloorAu 02-11-2010 02:04 AM

Any free carrier versions for Australia Planned ?

rickrichards82 02-11-2010 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfyman (Post 1979630)
lower prices come when competition comes. If there's no competition, he shouldn't even think about lowering his prices. Capitalism 101.

If you can give him competition, please - do! I like lower prices as well!

ah, but there is competition. his 3.8.x version is completely free... which has set the price leader bar pretty high. there are a few other alturnatives to paying the subscription costs... but it wouldn't be right to talk about that here.

capitalism isn't about setting prices sky high. if anything that can damage a brands image and in the end hurt your bottom line.

GrossKopf 02-11-2010 10:34 AM

This guy is under no obligation to provide this mod at all. He does not get compensated for it, so cut him some slack and be happy with what you get in the free version! I've never seen a bigger group of people crying that they're not happy with something they are getting for FREE!

robwoelich 02-11-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by meissenation (Post 1979666)
I think most of the people here are in an uproar because on your 3.8.x version, support for hundreds of SMS companies was 100% free. Now you roll out vb4.x version and alas there's hefty big subscription prices. I know when I first viewed this thread, I saw the support for only 2 carriers and that I had to pay for what was once included for free and said "No way in hell am I installing that." That said, thankfully my site is 99.999% US so now that you've included more carriers in your free/lite version, I can install and not worry about the subscriptions. Again, what once was offered free in your previous version you're now forcing international customers to people to pay for... that's the uproar.

That's the problem - you're looking at it in such black and white. You think that because I'm not including all the companies, I'm simply trying to charge for that list. The difference between the free and paid versions is a lot more than the companies included. Consider:
  1. The previous version for vB 3.x has been discontinued for a year and a half;
  2. The previous version was only guaranteed compatible up to vB 3.7;
  3. The subscription version includes 7 more notification types than the free version now (8 more than the free version then) including really cool ones like being texted when someone registers or signs in;
  4. The subscription version allows users to set hours they will and won't receive texts, so they won't get texted in the middle of the night;
  5. The subscription version is fully supported, including installation and compatibility help;
  6. Aside from the company list, the free version now already improves upon the old one because of an additional notification type (visitor messages) that wasn't present in vB 3.x

There's a lot more value in the paid modification than just the companies involved. The other reason I decided to keep most companies under the subscription version is because being in the U.S. I can't easily verify, troubleshoot, and add non-U.S. companies. It takes a lot of research and work to figure out what the newest international company settings are, and to try to work with users in each country (generally through language barriers) to test and verify these settings. Since this work is ongoing, compensation for it is not unreasonable.

I understand everyone is angry the full company list is not included, but it's pretty useless to include it when a lot of the listings didn't work and there wasn't an easy way to update them on the thousands of forums using the modification. Therefore, I stand behind my current versions and their respective free/fee status. :up:

GrossKopf 02-11-2010 04:32 PM

Well said, Rob! Thank you for making the free mod!

molieman 02-11-2010 04:54 PM

Hear me or READ this, you've got a fantastic MOD with wonderful features, free and paid.

BUT, the features don't mean anything without the ability to barely use it because you provide only two carriers and your Paid Subscription price is ridiculously high.

Rob, you're an extremely talented man, but it just looks like you're a bit on the greedy side.

I think people are screaming/begging you to do something reasonable. If you want to sell the list, sell it then, but don't charge $10 a month.

Most of your potential customers are administrators of their web sites. If like me, they spend 10 to 12 hours a day, without pay to keep their site running. Most of us do it for free and most of the mods here are for free without dangling an upgrade for a price in front of their faces.

speedracer68 02-11-2010 06:34 PM

Installed free version. Played with it then looked into the cost.

Clicked uninstall. It's just too expensive.

robwoelich 02-11-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molieman (Post 1980116)
Hear me or READ this, you've got a fantastic MOD with wonderful features, free and paid.

BUT, the features don't mean anything without the ability to barely use it because you provide only two carriers and your Paid Subscription price is ridiculously high.

Rob, you're an extremely talented man, but it just looks like you're a bit on the greedy side.

I think people are screaming/begging you to do something reasonable. If you want to sell the list, sell it then, but don't charge $10 a month.

Most of your potential customers are administrators of their web sites. If like me, they spend 10 to 12 hours a day, without pay to keep their site running. Most of us do it for free and most of the mods here are for free without dangling an upgrade for a price in front of their faces.

It's easy to complain when you don't read the entire thread. I'll summarize: there are now four companies, more will be added on a regular basis, and the paid version pricing will be adjusted shortly.

Sheesh. :erm:

molieman 02-11-2010 08:28 PM

Please don't misconstrue my grandstanding as anger or a whining complainer. I was trying to persuade you to do something different with a brilliant product. Maybe I should of thrown some smilies in my statements.... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) hope those make up for the ones I didn't send :)

Glad you're listening to your fans :) and my apologies for not catching the improvements ( 4 companies and pricing will be adjusted).

Thank You!!!!!

BlackJacket 02-12-2010 07:03 PM

Thank you greatly Rob for adding more clients and also adjusting your price. I for one have a couple of websites that are greatly appreciative of this mod and are willing to pay for more service and features.

Thank you again for your hard work! :)

BlackJacket 02-12-2010 07:18 PM

When a user enters an invalid pin and clicks the "click here to resend..." they get the following error -

Code:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, support@supportwebsite.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.


Paul M 02-13-2010 12:43 AM

There has been enough discussion of the "commercial" version in this thread now. Our rules permit the author to link to a paid version, not discuss it - something he has made quite clear.

This thread is the free version, if you have problems or issues with that version, by all means post in this thread. If you wish to discuss the paid version then take it to PM, or the authors site, not this thread. Any more such discussions are liable to be deleted without notice, and continual flouting of the rules can lead to infractions.


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