I am not boycotting him because he is making money. I am boycotting him because I believe he is a violent person who doesn't feel remorse for the evil that he has caused in the world. He has done nothing to atone for his deeds and earn his right to be among the rest of us. 23 months in a Federal Country Club is not atonement.

Did you write to the NFL for Ray Lewis? or Stallworth? or the other numerous felons that play?

What? You were the one a page or so back saying the only way you WOULDN'T boycott is if he gave up 95% of his salary... sounds like a money issue to me, but then again, maybe I'm on crazy pills.

Hmm.. Ray Lewis. Hard to tell on this one. The D.A. got an indictment through a grand jury which is as much about passion and storytelling as it about the evidence. However he plead it down to a midemeanor obstruction of justice charge. That tells me that the D.A. didn't have the evidence to pursue the murder charge beyond a reasonable doubt. Even without that, I doubt he went to a party with the intent to kill someone in a bar-room style fight.

Stallworth, DUI-Manslaughter. Pleaded Guilty, 2 years of house arrest, 8 years probation, community service and multi-million dollar settlement to the family of the victim. He didn't flee the scene. He didn't try to cover it up. Community Service in the case of DUI often involves anti-drinking advocacy.

Michael Vick on the other hand ran an illicit dog-fighting ring and admittedly killed many animals on his property through electrocution and drowning. Many more animals would have died in the fights and training. Often small animals are used to bring the viciousness out on the fighting dogs. These includes small dogs and cats and many other animals that can't defend themselves. Often in small cages where there is no escape. He did this for profit and fun with a willful intent to destroy these animals lives.

There are big differences between the cases. Michael Vick set out from the beginning to commit a crime. He tried to hide this from police once details started to come to light. And yet, people want me to support a violent person like this. With such a display of of blatant disregard towards life, I don't see how that is possible.

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I said if he gave up 95% of his money for the advocacy against the cruelty towards animals. If he was actually atoning for his misdeeds and showed remorse than I would believe that he has changed. He can't just give up his salary just to give it up. Even with 5% of his salary for 5 years, he would be making $80,000 a year or more so it is not like he would be deprived.

I don't need you to support anyone, I just think it's funny when I see people fly of the handle if anything involves animals. I like dogs like most people, my parents bred chows for the longest time. It concerns me more when someone kills a human then kills a dog....

I think what he did was despicable, just like you do, but I guarantee there are worse offenders both known, and not known, in the NFL.

I don't support the commish's decision to reinstate him, I don't support the eagles admin for signing him, but I will support the players that have been in this town and playing for our team. It is not their fault he got signed, they have to deal with it just like the fans do.

oooh, ahh, argghhh ... Am I suppose to bite at that?

if he was to repeat this offense I would agree with you; until then if you really want change spend your time and resources in changing the laws pertaining to animal cruelty - this way it doesn't happen again

boycotting the NFL - good luck

Couldn't agree more.

You are grouping all wrongs into the same catagory. Of course I have done things I was sorry for. The difference is what wrongs I have done were NOT intentionally inflicting physical, excruciating pain, and then DEATH upon anything.

Why would you even make an exception for that? It wasnt a ONE TIME "mistake" it was his LIFESTYLE that he took pleasure in.

First of all, I read most of the threads, and I was surprised by the emotion in the argument, and in fact, what I found more troublesome, was the degree of bitterness and hate this topic evokes.

Second, I don't eat much meat, and am almost a vegatarian because I don't like to eat or harm any living thing, so I think I am a nice person, LOL.

Third, having said that, I have travelled to over 40 countries, and the world is not a nice place, generally speaking. There is evil, corruption, murder, sexual abuse, financial crime all committed by humans against humans.

Forth, at least in the US, there are laws. The way it works is that if your are found guilty by your peers (as Vick was) and you have a debt to society (which Vick did) and then when you serve your debt (as Vick did), it is over and done with.

Fifth, on a more controversial note, people kill cows, chickens, pigs, and many other mammals every day. It is too extreme and overly hypocritical to say, no matter how well intended, "Vick is so evil, he killed dogs.... and at the same time eat a steak or a chicken, or another animal... or to go hunting and kill deer, birds, rabbits, etc."

Sixth, so what is worse that what Vick did, in my opinon, is extremism. Extremism is when someone, for what ever reason, usually out of love for an idea, or passion for a cause, believes in their view so much, they are willing to harm or hurt others for it.

Seventh... just read this thread. It is full of extremism.... and I say to you, this extremism is just a bad, or even worse, than what Vick did, in my mind.

Last, so regardless of emotional argument, and "feelings" the fact of the matter is that Vick has paid his debt to socieity and it's over. It's time to move on. Forgive and forget. and let By Gones Be By Gones.

I don't even watch football..... and I don't eat much meat..... I never hunt... and don't even like to kill insects, except mosquitos! I love dogs, I love people. However, Vick has paid his debt to society. He is the owner of his karma.

Let it be.

right

on my site someone brought up the point of catch and release when fishing...

that is cruel and inhumane, done for sports, should it be illegal?

I don't know....

Walking on the ground kills small bacteria and insects, should walking be illegal?

Our bodies have antibodies that kill alien invaders to our bodies, should we all commit suicide so we are not "killers"..... ???

Men and women are sent to kill humans by governments. Should governments be illegal?

More people are hurt or killed in the passion for religious ideals than any other current evil on earth. Should religion be illegal?

Extremism, by humans, is the most dangerous thing on this planet, and it is far more dangerous than most people realize.

Let it Be.

Try a act of random kindness to another person every day. Don't hate others. Forgive. Be Happy. Heal the world....

there is a religion where they were cloth masks as to not kill bacteria or insects when they breathe....

i realize we are getting off topic, my bad mods...

Yet still a mistake. It doesn't matter how large of a mistake it was, it was a mistake. Not grouping wrongs into the same category, just saying a mistake is a mistake, no matter which adjective you put before it.

Mistake, maybe, personally, I think not. It appears as if he'd been at it for years.

That said when a person makes a mistake and the mistake means they have committed a crime, then in most cases it leads to a punishment.
Forgiveness for that mistake/crime is generally accepted when a person is remorseful, is seen to be remorseful and in the case of public figures/athletes/personalities etc etc this can be made high profile via the media.

Has Michael Vick shown any remorse for his crimes ?

Guess that depends on who you ask and what their requirements are for that to be satisfied for them.

Ugh!! :confused:

Who cares? Really?

He served his time in jail. I don't care if Vick says anything, remorseful or not.

What difference does it make what he says or does not say?

Let it go. More people kill cows every day to satisfy the need for humans to eat beef and they don't express remorse.

I happen to like cows just a much as dogs. Someone else loves chickens. Someone else loves pigs more than cows and dogs. It is never ending.

I don't understand why anyone believe they have some "lock" on truth and moral behavior.

Let it go. Vick served his time. It's over.

Ah! I see, sorry I did'nt fully understood his crime. Did'nt realise he was killing the dogs for food.
That's OK then. I'll let it go . :D

I think anyone that makes a mistake should be killed and no second chance should be given.

Jaywalk...it was a mistake right? ..Killed, no second chance...no ticket.

Light up a smoke inside by accident...mistake right? ...Killed, no being told to go outside.

Run a red light by accident and cause a crash...mistake? ...Killed...no ticket should be given nothing you caused an accident. You should not be forgiven.

No matter what you do if you don't do something right...a life without mistakes you will die.

Who cares. He had dogs fighting, he did his time in prison, period. It's not like the NFL is full of players that do nothing wrong. It's full of scumbags. What's one more?

Almost every job has at least one person working that has done something wrong during their lifetime. If people didn't get second chances this world would suck.

Also, I wonder how many people that are saying not to give him a second chance are religious? Isn't the whole thing with religion to forgive people no matter how large a mistake they have made? ....

At least PETA dosent have a say in this. haha they repremanded the president for swatting at a fly on national TV. :(

Let him play. I'm sure there are other payers on opposing teams that will try their hardest to mess him up.

YES!




w/ several very hungry pit bulls and bulldogs as he runs across the field w/ slabs of meat tied to him :p





WHAT?!?!? :D

Edit: And KevinL agreed however he had a hand in killing many of Gods creatures eh?

whatever he done should be dealt with by the courts - if the courts are to soft to send him down for his crime then so be it - the guy still has to earn a living for him and his family.

Donte Stallworth killed a man while under intoxication in a vehicle which is about a 10 year charge, he got 30 days and a ton less press than Michael Vick. My point is, of course let him play.

Only served 28 days IIRC...

Such a shame how our justice system works...

He should be allowed to play...I just hate that he went to the damn Eagles. If anything he should be playing for Carolina, we are the dog fighting capital of the world after all. I'll tell you this, any team that uses him effectively (doesn't start him as QB but still puts him in the backfield) is probably going to be pretty good...can you imagine the trick plays you could run with Vick playing HB?

PS. I'm allowed to make that joke because I live in the dog fighting capital of the world.

PS 2. I love dogs but I can see why people like this "sport" after watching it first hand. I'd never participate in it but I don't really see how it is any worse than what they put racing dogs through (who by the way are killed off by the thousands every year because they can no longer run).

PS 3. I don't see anyone in the news getting outraged about fighting chickens which is MUCH more brutal...anyone that has seen it will tell you that.