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lasto 08-11-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyljunky (Post 1865049)
Well said :up:

I think political correctnes has gone way too far as well :mad: Im disabled and some people are too nervous to speak to me in fear of saying the wrong thing :confused:

Nothing wrong with disabled people - hell its the ones who are fine but claiming to be disabled we should be worried about.

UKBusinessLive 08-11-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinyljunky (Post 1865049)
Well said :up:

I think political correctnes has gone way too far as well :mad: Im disabled and some people are too nervous to speak to me in fear of saying the wrong thing :confused:

Nothing Wrong with Disabled people, Just shows how we take being abled bodied for granted.

As for the Do Gooders that seem to spring up everywhere nowdays, who regulates them?? and what right do they have to tell us what or not to believe in.

Only in the UK have we got Councils chopping down apple trees in open parkland, in case an apple falls on someone and hurts them. And lets not forget the do gooders that Cancel "Christmas Celebrations, and lights" , because it might upset other religions??

The UK is predominately a Christian country, whilst the Do gooders are attcking the christian faith at the result of the minority, who actually tells them what they are doing is the way forward?? But worst of all, Who speaks out for the christians!!

Its a funny old world and its getting worst :eek:

Cromulent 08-11-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive (Post 1864354)
Leave aside the fact that most reasonable people think the burqa has no place on the streets of Britain, being an oppressive symbol of political and religious fundamentalism.

The cross is just as much as sign of political and religious fundamentalism. Just look at the American loonies in the deep south.

Christianity has its fair share of nutters and extremists. I'd just ban all religion (no matter what type) in public run services. No need for it, if you are religious then do your praying in church or at home. There is no need to inflict it on the rest of us.

Travelbug 08-16-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive (Post 1865232)
Only in the UK have we got Councils chopping down apple trees in open parkland, in case an apple falls on someone and hurts them. And lets not forget the do gooders that Cancel "Christmas Celebrations, and lights" , because it might upset other religions??

The Uk is really going OTT on this. I am not religious but i respect people for who they are not what religion they follow.

A prayer from any religion is only a good thing for those in need. Just as long as its not forced upon people.

Reycer 08-16-2009 11:27 PM

I seen on the news that the UK is now having "Muslim Day" in swimming pools. To which women and men are seperated and women must wear clothes from their neck, to their ankles. It's a little overboard, don't you think?

lasto 08-17-2009 07:13 AM

well of course its over the top because next think we be having chinnese or polish only days.
We stopped going to Alton Towers because of their Muslim only day.

agitated 08-17-2009 07:29 AM

Alton Towers scrapped the idea because of poor ticket sales. That was years ago.
What was wrong with the idea ? The date was clearly stated well in advance, how is that a problem. It was only ONE day.

Wayne Luke 08-17-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by agitated (Post 1869006)
Alton Towers scrapped the idea because of poor ticket sales. That was years ago.
What was wrong with the idea ? The date was clearly stated well in advance, how is that a problem. It was only ONE day.

It is discrimination. I would have boycotted them as well and I don't even know what Alton Towers is. Discrimination of any sort shouldn't be tolerated. If one group is expected to tolerate others, than every group should be expected to tolerate others.

lasto 08-17-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by agitated (Post 1869006)
Alton Towers scrapped the idea because of poor ticket sales. That was years ago.
What was wrong with the idea ? The date was clearly stated well in advance, how is that a problem. It was only ONE day.

The point is they tried it,so just because they had poor ticket sales does`nt mean im going to run back and spend money at their park.
If ticket sales had been high then they would of gone for more days.
I will never have a day out at alton towers again,simply as,and the only people it hurts is alton towers business because i choose to spend my money at other theme parks now.

metalguy639 08-18-2009 06:08 AM

Yes for me but I'm not into religion either I'm an atheists. Its for me annoying since I do not buy into the religion idea. And it would not do anything for me. Now that being said if a nurse came up to me and asked to pray for me I'd politely tell her no I was ok, but I certainly would not want her to be fired because she offered to pray for me unless she tried to force the issue. If you try and force the issue then yeah get the hell away from me! Its a little bit much to fire her I think.

betts02 08-18-2009 07:28 AM

The way i see it is religion is the biggest form of war,everything boils down to religion.
you cant do this and cant do that !!!
in my opinion if you are from the uk then you should live by uk rules,same with any country.
but they dont give a **** about us,they would rather change laws,etc to suit people from other countrys.

as for the nurse she should of not asked to say a prayer,it could offend someone who does not believe in any religion and it is not in her job title or criteria.
do believe they went too far in getting rid of the poor old lass but rules are rules and without them we would be even worse off than we are now.

we should all go back to the 60s,smoke pot,live life and enjoy the love ????

KTBleeding 08-18-2009 06:41 PM

Well, think about this..

A Christian person is ill and dying, and their nurse is a Satanist.. If their nurse offered to say a prayer to Satan for the ill patient, what do you think would happen? Would that family try to get the nurse fired? I bet the chances of that are pretty high.. So because Christianity is more socially accepted, they are expected to be able to do it without any consequences?

I think getting fired is a little harsh, but as I stated previously in this thread, had the nurse minded her own business (which is exactly what religion is and SHOULD be), then nothing would have happened. Period.

Reycer 08-19-2009 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by agitated (Post 1869006)
Alton Towers scrapped the idea because of poor ticket sales. That was years ago.
What was wrong with the idea ? The date was clearly stated well in advance, how is that a problem. It was only ONE day.

No offense, but so was (and is) Gay Day at Disney World.

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Originally Posted by betts02 (Post 1869627)
The way i see it is religion is the biggest form of war,everything boils down to religion.
you cant do this and cant do that !!!
in my opinion if you are from the uk then you should live by uk rules,same with any country.
but they dont give a **** about us,they would rather change laws,etc to suit people from other countrys.

as for the nurse she should of not asked to say a prayer,it could offend someone who does not believe in any religion and it is not in her job title or criteria.
do believe they went too far in getting rid of the poor old lass but rules are rules and without them we would be even worse off than we are now.

we should all go back to the 60s,smoke pot,live life and enjoy the love ????

My wife had surgery a while back. Before she went in, the Dr. looked at my wife and told her that he was going to say prayer over her, and that if she did not want him to, he would stop but he would also not perform the surgery. My wife was VERY comforted by the fact that the Dr. was willing to sacrifice his career for his beliefs. The Dr. did pray over my wife, and she came through the surgery ok. I applauded that Dr.

As far as the Satinist nurse saying her prayer, I would politely ask her to stop, but I wouldn't want to have her job for it. I would still appreciate the fact that she is willing to put her career on the line for her beliefs, and if she did not want to work with my wife anymore, then I could totally respect that.

metalguy639 08-19-2009 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KTBleeding (Post 1870010)
Well, think about this..

A Christian person is ill and dying, and their nurse is a Satanist.. If their nurse offered to say a prayer to Satan for the ill patient, what do you think would happen? Would that family try to get the nurse fired? I bet the chances of that are pretty high.. So because Christianity is more socially accepted, they are expected to be able to do it without any consequences?

I think getting fired is a little harsh, but as I stated previously in this thread, had the nurse minded her own business (which is exactly what religion is and SHOULD be), then nothing would have happened. Period.

Very good point. If it were reversed everyone would freak the hell out.

UKBusinessLive 08-19-2009 04:39 PM

In a funny sort of way i guess if i was in hospital and a nurse offered to pray for me, then its fine, if she did it out of sight and not embarrass me if front of everyone. Say for example if a Muslim nurse or a Hindu nurse offered to pray for me, i'd be well embarrassed in the ward, not knowing what was said or done.

Hospitals and Government buildings should be religion free zones, where people can get immediate answers and problems solved without feeling hurt or embarrassed by the actions of others.

For this reason i now feel that the nurse was wrong in offering to pray for someone without know their full religious background.

:eek:

students_forum 08-20-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive (Post 1733320)
I agree with you Shelley, I'm not religious, But if someone want to say a prayer for me its cool, I won't be offened by it in fact i'll see it as a compliment that someone actually wants to go out of their way for me :rolleyes:

what about a Voodoo witch?



as an antidote to this thread, I had a lovely Shepherd's Pie ... and that made me proud to be British.

lasto 08-20-2009 08:25 PM

why has the lockerbie bomber been freed - so many deaths and yet this man can return home ?

students_forum 08-20-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1871246)
why has the lockerbie bomber been freed - so many deaths and yet this man can return home ?

He'll be dead soon, so it doesn't matter where he is now.

lasto 08-21-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by students_forum (Post 1871252)
He'll be dead soon, so it doesn't matter where he is now.

course it matters - if we go by your way of thinking then we may as well release all prisoners because they all be dead soon.

He commited a crime and a heinous one at that so should of died in jail.
When cases come up like this,it always makes me think that some back door deal was done and his release was part of a bigger deal.

agitated 08-21-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1871535)
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When cases come up like this,it always makes me think that some back door deal was done and his release was part of a bigger deal.

Of course it was. The only other reason would be one of compassion, like Biggs.
The are greater things at stake as far as Libya is concerned. Oil.

students_forum 08-21-2009 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lasto (Post 1871535)
course it matters - if we go by your way of thinking then we may as well release all prisoners because they all be dead soon.

He commited a crime and a heinous one at that so should of died in jail.
When cases come up like this,it always makes me think that some back door deal was done and his release was part of a bigger deal.

Firstly, you can't take one example and extrapolate that I somehow made a general rule. I feel that when you have something like 28 counts of murder, then you should never be released. I personally, however, don't see any point in whining about it. Due to the fact that he'll be dead, which is of course the reason why we lock someone up - to keep them away.
Anyhow, this has been part of a political arena lately. Several countries get involved, such as the US Senate and lots of rumours of oil - which probably is true. Now matter what we think, we need oil. It is the one commodity that we depend on. And the person who controls that commodity has the power.

lasto 08-21-2009 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by students_forum (Post 1871646)
Firstly, you can't take one example and extrapolate that I somehow made a general rule. I feel that when you have something like 28 counts of murder, then you should never be released. I personally, however, don't see any point in whining about it. Due to the fact that he'll be dead, which is of course the reason why we lock someone up - to keep them away.
Anyhow, this has been part of a political arena lately. Several countries get involved, such as the US Senate and lots of rumours of oil - which probably is true. Now matter what we think, we need oil. It is the one commodity that we depend on. And the person who controls that commodity has the power.

forget the oil - he should never of been released and the goverment should be brought down to their knees for allowing such a killer to walk away a free man.Its irrelevant if he only has a few months to live.One day of freedom for killers like him is one day to many.

Another day of shame for the UK

agitated 08-21-2009 03:23 PM

Not a day of shame at all for the UK. This was done by a Scottish government.


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