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dxlwebs 01-23-2009 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by futureye (Post 1722454)
what about other lang like arabic

Zoints SEO has three primary options for URL rewriting:

1. No URL rewriting
2. URL rewriting without mod_rewrite. Why use this? If you want to insert keywords in the url but don't have mod_rewrite available or don't want to expend the resources (using mod_rewrite is server intensive and slows page generation) then this is a viable solution.
3. The mod_rewrite everyone knows and prefers.
option one does nothing and option two does the same as the third just without the need of the mod_rewrite tool option two is good for poeple like hosted servers wherethey cannot install the mod_rewrite tool

currently there are no other languages ifsome onewas to make the translations i would be happy to do what is needed

dxlwebs 01-23-2009 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 1722466)
I would recommend option 1. The available evidence indicates that keywords in a domain name help but that keywords in the page URL have little or no impact on SE ranking. By enabling any form of URL rewrite, you are adding to server load with little or no return.

And the reality is that vBulletin is SE friendly out of the box. Pick any area and do a search for forums in that area. To narrow it down, tack vBulletin on to the end of the search query. Then look at the URL structure for the forums in the search results. How many of the top forums are using URL rewrite?

That said, there are several other reasons why I think Zoints SEO is helpful and it's for those features that I have it installed.
if you use option one you will not get friendly urls i would recommend using option 2 this is far better unless you have the mod_rewrite tool!

option two is much better for search engines with much nicer urls for the normal user to remember as well!

djbaxter 01-23-2009 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dxlwebs (Post 1722481)
option two is much better for search engines with much nicer urls for the normal user to remember as well!
I've yet to see any evidence to support that claim. There was a time when SEs had difficulty with dynamic URLs but that hasn't been the case for a long time now. All modern SEs spider and follow dynamic URLs with ease.

And Google has recently recommended against the use of URL rewriting:

See Dynamic URLs vs. static URLs. Here is an excerpt:

Quote:
Should I try to make my dynamic URLs look static?
Following are some key points you should keep in mind while dealing with dynamic URLs:
  1. It's quite hard to correctly create and maintain rewrites that change dynamic URLs to static-looking URLs.
  2. It's much safer to serve us the original dynamic URL and let us handle the problem of detecting and avoiding problematic parameters.
  3. If you want to rewrite your URL, please remove unnecessary parameters while maintaining a dynamic-looking URL.
  4. If you want to serve a static URL instead of a dynamic URL you should create a static equivalent of your content.
Which can Googlebot read better, static or dynamic URLs?
We've come across many webmasters who, like our friend, believed that static or static-looking URLs were an advantage for indexing and ranking their sites. This is based on the presumption that search engines have issues with crawling and analyzing URLs that include session IDs or source trackers. However, as a matter of fact, we at Google have made some progress in both areas. While static URLs might have a slight advantage in terms of clickthrough rates because users can easily read the urls, the decision to use database-driven websites does not imply a significant disadvantage in terms of indexing and ranking. Providing search engines with dynamic URLs should be favored over hiding parameters to make them look static.

Let's now look at some of the widespread beliefs concerning dynamic URLs and correct some of the assumptions which spook webmasters. :)

Myth: "Dynamic URLs cannot be crawled."
Fact: We can crawl dynamic URLs and interpret the different parameters. We might have problems crawling and ranking your dynamic URLs if you try to make your urls look static and in the process hide parameters which offer the Googlebot valuable information. One recommendation is to avoid reformatting a dynamic URL to make it look static. It's always advisable to use static content with static URLs as much as possible, but in cases where you decide to use dynamic content, you should give us the possibility to analyze your URL structure and not remove information by hiding parameters and making them look static.

Myth: "Dynamic URLs are okay if you use fewer than three parameters."
Fact: There is no limit on the number of parameters, but a good rule of thumb would be to keep your URLs short (this applies to all URLs, whether static or dynamic). You may be able to remove some parameters which aren't essential for Googlebot and offer your users a nice looking dynamic URL. If you are not able to figure out which parameters to remove, we'd advise you to serve us all the parameters in your dynamic URL and our system will figure out which ones do not matter. Hiding your parameters keeps us from analyzing your URLs properly and we won't be able to recognize the parameters as such, which could cause a loss of valuable information.

Following are some questions we thought you might have at this point.

Does that mean I should avoid rewriting dynamic URLs at all?
That's our recommendation, unless your rewrites are limited to removing unnecessary parameters, or you are very diligent in removing all parameters that could cause problems. If you transform your dynamic URL to make it look static you should be aware that we might not be able to interpret the information correctly in all cases. If you want to serve a static equivalent of your site, you might want to consider transforming the underlying content by serving a replacement which is truly static. One example would be to generate files for all the paths and make them accessible somewhere on your site. However, if you're using URL rewriting (rather than making a copy of the content) to produce static-looking URLs from a dynamic site, you could be doing harm rather than good. Feel free to serve us your standard dynamic URL and we will automatically find the parameters which are unnecessary
.

rob01 01-23-2009 04:11 PM
how much resource or server loading vbseo adds?

veenuisthebest 01-23-2009 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dxlwebs (Post 1722423)
i run many sites off my own server at home and i find it cheaper than any hostings and easier anyways!

you should all have your own server if your hoping fora good site :D
May I know how much does it cost including softwares, maintenance etc. What are your server specs?

Thanks

djbaxter 01-23-2009 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rob01 (Post 1722488)
how much resource or server loading vbseo adds?
You should probably ask that question at the vBSEO forum.

IcheeWaWa 01-23-2009 04:40 PM
I've been running Zoints SEO for a long time and am happy with its performance.

The only issue I have right now is that I use vba CMPS at the root of my forums. Links from that page are not rewritten (when you hover/click the link). I can live with it, as I have for quite some time. If there's a fix, I'd be happy to know what it is.

Thanks for the free mod!

dxlwebs 01-23-2009 04:45 PM
well i gues url rewrite is another one of though things that no one person can say is right or wrong i prefer it my self easier to remember the links and google pays much more attention to my site with it enabled!

Quote:
Originally Posted by veenuisthebest (Post 1722489)
May I know how much does it cost including softwares, maintenance etc. What are your server specs?

Thanks
sure all i pay really is electric which with the right power supply is very cheap about 10$ a month in electric for me domains depends on where you buy from internet connect currently im using 3 mbs upload and 3 download which is sufficient enough for me!

i use ubuntu server which is a free community linux server comes with everything you need to host your sites on!

my server specs is a old pc really i brought in a second hand market for 30$ i has 1gb ram a pentium 4 processor 80gb hdd and a 16mb graphics card the server runs 24/7 and has its case sides off and runs at 50% constantly only time it uses more resorces is when its updating!

im not a rich person so when it comes to myserver i get everything second hand the only real thing that needs to be good is the ram and hard drive then you should be fine

dxlwebs 01-23-2009 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcheeWaWa (Post 1722518)
I've been running Zoints SEO for a long time and am happy with its performance.

The only issue I have right now is that I use vba CMPS at the root of my forums. Links from that page are not rewritten (when you hover/click the link). I can live with it, as I have for quite some time. If there's a fix, I'd be happy to know what it is.

Thanks for the free mod!
ki have been trying to figure thisone out the change i made in this version should have made them work but still nothing on the vbadvanced side ill keep looking i might have missed something and ill correct it in the next version!

i know whatyou mean its bugging me too!

puertoblack2003 01-23-2009 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dxlwebs (Post 1722521)
well i gues url rewrite is another one of though things that no one person can say is right or wrong i prefer it my self easier to remember the links and google pays much more attention to my site with it enabled!



sure all i pay really is electric which with the right power supply is very cheap about 10$ a month in electric for me domains depends on where you buy from internet connect currently im using 3 mbs upload and 3 download which is sufficient enough for me!

i use ubuntu server which is a free community linux server comes with everything you need to host your sites on!

my server specs is a old pc really i brought in a second hand market for 30$ i has 1gb ram a pentium 4 processor 80gb hdd and a 16mb graphics card the server runs 24/7 and has its case sides off and runs at 50% constantly only time it uses more resorces is when its updating!

im not a rich person so when it comes to myserver i get everything second hand the only real thing that needs to be good is the ram and hard drive then you should be fine



testing this on my test server is it appears to be ok before i go live.And i agree hosting your own server is cheaper and not only that its dedicated no need to worry about resource.I do have my own server been doing it since 2005 .but mines is windows with the latest packages i'm learning the linux box so i can run the site on that but over all its good.

futureye 01-23-2009 05:33 PM
I installed the hack

sample:
http://www.surcity.net/forums/-f5.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/62-62-62-t30055.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/-t29915.html


Can I make it like this
http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-f5.html

http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-t30055.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-t29915.html

????

Mike54 01-23-2009 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 1722487)
I've yet to see any evidence to support that claim. There was a time when SEs had difficulty with dynamic URLs but that hasn't been the case for a long time now. All modern SEs spider and follow dynamic URLs with ease.

And Google has recently recommended against the use of URL rewriting:
Whoa, not so fast. I'm familiar with your position on rewriting URL's, but here is Google's Search Engine Optimization Starter Guide that doesn't support your views. Check in around the bottom of page 6 and read on.

"Creating descriptive categories and filenames for the documents on your website can not only help you keep your site better organized, but it could also lead to better crawling of your documents by search engines."

Interesting sentence, eh? And please note this particular Google document was released after the one you've linked. And rather than recommending against rewriting URL's, they are clearly stating it "could lead to better crawling of your documents".

Perhaps a search engine is effective at indexing pages with session I.D.'s and the like, but I prefer my user-friendly URL's being indexed for potential guests. Which is one of the advantages pointed out by dxlwebs.

As for the myths of unacceptable loads being placed on a server by using either Zoints or vBSEO and mod_rewrite, I have experience with both. Frankly, I witnessed more load by upgrading from vB 3.6 to 3.7 than in using either SEO package.

Of course none of this address the fact the Google Webmaster Central Blog uses 'pretty' URL's itself. Why do you suppose they bother, if it really makes no difference?

buileminh 01-24-2009 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizard King (Post 1722402)
Usually if you have 50 concurrant users+ guest total , it is time for you to move to a vPS.

If you have over 150~ concurrant users + guests , it is time for you to move to a dedicated.

These numbers are for 15 minute cookie timeout.
15 minutes of cookie timeout... Can I serve more users by changing this option? What will i have and what will I lost by using longer and shorter cookie timeout?

djbaxter 01-24-2009 05:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike54 (Post 1722578)
Whoa, not so fast. I'm familiar with your position on rewriting URL's, but here is Google's Search Engine Optimization Starter Guide that doesn't support your views. Check in around the bottom of page 6 and read on.

"Creating descriptive categories and filenames for the documents on your website can not only help you keep your site better organized, but it could also lead to better crawling of your documents by search engines."

Interesting sentence, eh? And please note this particular Google document was released after the one you've linked. And rather than recommending against rewriting URL's, they are clearly stating it "could lead to better crawling of your documents".

Perhaps a search engine is effective at indexing pages with session I.D.'s and the like, but I prefer my user-friendly URL's being indexed for potential guests. Which is one of the advantages pointed out by dxlwebs.

As for the myths of unacceptable loads being placed on a server by using either Zoints or vBSEO and mod_rewrite, I have experience with both. Frankly, I witnessed more load by upgrading from vB 3.6 to 3.7 than in using either SEO package.

Of course none of this address the fact the Google Webmaster Central Blog uses 'pretty' URL's itself. Why do you suppose they bother, if it really makes no difference?
I think you've missed the distinction between rewriting URLs and brief descriptive filenames for web pages.

Adam21 01-24-2009 09:02 AM
Is there a way to rewrite the forum title in the thread url as well?

Voltar 01-24-2009 09:38 AM
I was going to do a little work on this, mainly to attempt to solve the 'no cookies, infinite redirect loop' issues. Do you have a list of what you fixed? Also, did the "no input file specified" issue get dealt with?

Edit: I don't believe that you can redistribute original vBulletin files either (tags.php), you have to explain the edits needed.

dxlwebs 01-24-2009 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltar (Post 1723149)
I was going to do a little work on this, mainly to attempt to solve the 'no cookies, infinite redirect loop' issues. Do you have a list of what you fixed? Also, did the "no input file specified" issue get dealt with?

Edit: I don't believe that you can redistribute original vBulletin files either (tags.php), you have to explain the edits needed.
right now im still going through all the bugs and doing what i can i will fix the redirect loop tomorrow :D

as for the tags.php file i havetaken that out and hopefully fixed the tags problem through a template edit instead

you can go through the programe and see if i have missed anything the vbadvanced cms still does not work!

i have just uploaded a new version which addresses some problems with the site map and so on!

mainly i have gone through all the corrections made by the community and added it all straight into the install file so that it works out of the box i am now at the end of that LONG LIST and now will start going through the problems that have not been fixed and try to sort them and please do help this is a community mod everyone is welcome to help i just had some time on my hands and thought i would give it a go plus i love problem solving :D

Voltar 01-24-2009 04:25 PM
I believe it had something to do with the showthread_start plugin, it's the only one that touches anything to do with cookies. I'd have to go back and look at my notes, I haven't taken a look at it in a bit now.

elrafei 01-24-2009 05:00 PM
Can i use the two products Vbseo and ZointsSEO in the same forum without any problem ?

Voltar 01-24-2009 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elrafei (Post 1723464)
Can i use the two products Vbseo and ZointsSEO in the same forum without any problem ?
That would be rather pointless as they both do basically the same thing.

Mike54 01-24-2009 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 1723029)
I think you've missed the distinction between rewriting URLs and brief descriptive filenames for web pages.
I think you're missing the fact that forum pages can enjoy the same benefits as static pages by using friendly and descriptive URL's.

If I am establshing a static site, it only makes good sense to use descriptive filenames whilst setting everything up. And it only makes the same good sense to rewrite forum URL's to realize the same benefits.

As stated earlier, I am aware of your long-standing opinion concerning the rewriting of URL's. And I fully support your right to hold and express that opinion. However it seems you remain unwilling to reciprocate with individuals experiencing success by merely adopting a position diametrically opposite your own.

When Google says there are advantages to be found in friendly URL's, both for users visiting your pages and spiders crawling your pages, I'm not going to argue the point with them. Please do not allow my decision to influence your own.

The Google blog you quoted uses friendly URL's. Why bother, if it doesn't accomplish anything? Why is Jelsoft adding friendly URL's to vB 4, if they are needless? Why are there so many scripts available to provide friendly URL's to other forum and blog platforms, if they are such a waste of time? Why are so many forum admins and bloggers installing these scripts, if there are no positive results to be found?

Will search engines index standard vBulletin URL's? Of course they will. Are there advantages to rewriting to descriptive, friendly URL's? Yes, there are. Is anyone twisting your arm to use any script (commercial or otherwise) offering friendly URL's? Not that I am aware.

djbaxter 01-24-2009 07:34 PM
I believe we were talking about vBulletin forum software, not Google's blog or anyone else's - there are some scripts that benefit from and perhaps require URL rewrites, but vBulletin isn't one of them.

I also would suggest that you are misinterpreting the Google source you cite for confirming that in general URL rewrites are a good thing.

But I don't think cluttering up this add-on thread with further debate on this issue is fair to Zoints. None of what I said is a criticism of the add-on. I use it myself for other features and I'm pleased it has been updated.

Let's leave it at that.

SuperTaz 01-24-2009 07:50 PM
There is another upload zip file inside the upload file that has the same files.. Why are there duplicates?

Mike54 01-24-2009 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 1723620)
I believe we were talking about vBulletin forum software, not Google's blog or anyone else's - there are some scripts that benefit from and perhaps require URL rewrites, but vBulletin isn't one of them.
I do believe I said you were entitled to hold and express your opinion, did I not? Allow me to implore your pardon for expressing my own. And on a discussion forum, no less! Excuse me whilst I tug a forelock.

If you now prefer to not discuss the very issue you raised in this thread, that is fine with me.

djbaxter 01-24-2009 08:17 PM
In fact, what I said is it's probably better not to clutter up an add-on thread with a circular debate. And that was suggested out of respect for the developer of this excellent add-on.

PM me if you wish and I'll suggest other places where the debate can be continued.

Phaedrus 01-25-2009 01:29 AM
What's cool about the descriptive urls is how people remember them better, and they work better for back-links as well. I don't know why but people seem to click more when the url describes what they will see.

I've seen no drop of my site on google since I started using the more descriptive links, if anything I have seen better hits.

futureye 01-25-2009 05:27 AM
I installed the hack

sample:
http://www.surcity.net/forums/-f5.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/62-62-62-t30055.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/-t29915.html


Can I make it like this
http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-f5.html

http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-t30055.html
http://www.surcity.net/forums/domain-t29915.html

P@trick 01-25-2009 08:50 AM
hello, this mod is great!


Is it possible to make a thread (and a forum) like:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker.html

instead of:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker-t2328.html

and if the thread title is the same on two different threads:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker-2.html


And a second question: Is it possible to remove the "i"'s for special symbols like !?

for example: Title "Unendlich gegen unendlich?" URL should be "/unendlich-gegen-unendlich" instad of "/unendlich-gegen-unendlichi"

rellek 01-25-2009 12:32 PM
Nice to see Zoints SEO updated. :)



Here's the solution to the infinite loop-problem.
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...92#post1210992

dxlwebs 01-26-2009 06:31 AM
Quote:
hello, this mod is great!


Is it possible to make a thread (and a forum) like:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker.html

instead of:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker-t2328.html

and if the thread title is the same on two different threads:
http://www.magicinvasion.de/planeswalker-2.html


And a second question: Is it possible to remove the "i"'s for special symbols like !?

for example: Title "Unendlich gegen unendlich?" URL should be "/unendlich-gegen-unendlich" instad of "/unendlich-gegen-unendlichi"
from what i know of yesit is possible but through the mod_rewrite tool you should be able to organize it through .htacces if you need the actural code for the.htaccess file let me know and illpost one up!

dxlwebs 01-26-2009 06:36 AM
Quote:
Here's the solution to the infinite loop-problem.
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...92#post1210992
thanx for the fix i thought i saw it some ill add it into the next update which im working on now

NOTE TO ALL

if you find a problem let me know so that i can fix it now :D

P@trick 01-26-2009 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dxlwebs (Post 1724948)
from what i know of yesit is possible but through the mod_rewrite tool you should be able to organize it through .htacces if you need the actural code for the.htaccess file let me know and illpost one up!
That would be great. :)

dxlwebs 01-26-2009 09:02 AM
Code:
Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^([a-z0-9_\-]*-(f|all)[0-9]+(p[0-9]+|/index[0-9]*)?\.html)$ forumdisplay.php/$1 [QSA,L]
RewriteRule ^([a-z0-9_\-]*-(t|p)[0-9]+(p[0-9]+|/index[0-9]*)?\.html)$ showthread.php/$1 [QSA,L]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !(index\.php|\.css) [NC]
RewriteRule ^(archive|sitemap)/(.*)$ $1/index.php/$2 [QSA,L]
i think this may help but htaccess is notmy strong point lol

P@trick 01-26-2009 09:46 AM
Ive try the new htaccess, but the urls are still the same (but they work!)

ComputerVitals 01-27-2009 02:41 AM
I'm using Zoints SEO Version: 2.2.2

What do we need to do to upgrade to this version?

dxlwebs 01-27-2009 03:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComputerVitals (Post 1725795)
I'm using Zoints SEO Version: 2.2.2

What do we need to do to upgrade to this version?
upload the new files and then import the new product and allow overwrite thats it or atleast should be as it automatically adds the template edits to most templates!

Adam21 01-27-2009 07:47 AM
There's an extra zip folder in the upload folder.Which do i upload to upgrade?

dxlwebs 01-27-2009 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam21 (Post 1725973)
There's an extra zip folder in the upload folder.Which do i upload to upgrade?
yeah thats justfrom when i was testing the modon mylive site you can just ignore that ill remove it from the next update

Phaedrus 01-30-2009 05:25 PM
Okay, if you are using the Blog, even the newest version, there is one comments link that breaks when using this, as well as 2.2.2...

To fix it:

In "blog_show_entry" template find:

Code:
<span class="shade"><a href="#comments" class="shade">$vbphrase[comments]</a></span> <span id="commentcount1">$bloginfo[comments_visible]</span>
Replace with:

Code:
<span class="shade"><a href="blog.php?b=$blog[blogid]#comments" class="shade">$vbphrase[comments]</a></span> <span id="commentcount1">$bloginfo[comments_visible]</span>

dxlwebs 01-31-2009 05:24 AM
thanks for the fix ill try to add it into this new version if ANYONE else has any problems to report even ifyou do not now the fix please let us know then we will be able to fix it (hopefully)

im still working on the vbadvanced problem as well !


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