Fair enough, according to the Global Electoral College http://www.economist.com/Vote2008/ that would be:

McCain: 203
Obama: 9115

Ok, I posted after the election, so to balance the world, you say that more than 51% of the world are jumping in a foot for Obama? isn't about McCain, or the race or USA...
is that most of the world will disagree with him, is natural...

and I don't remember a person on history who had that 'consensus' that you are defending...
he hasn't worked a single day on the White House and we may not live trough that day. how about that for reality Uh?

Jumping on a foot? Hardly. This is a non-partisan site that is stating nearly 90% of the world supported Obama over McCain. You are inputting your opinion which is fine but you have no numbers or sources to back them up. Why not just say it's your opinion and leave it at that? Nobody will fault you for that.

eh, why not? It breaks up the monotony :)

Don't flatter yourself, no even a religion on this world have those numbers, wake up!

p.s. again is not about McCain that finished already!

It will be interesting to revisit this conversation in about a year or two after the democrats have thoroughly trashed the place ;)

See? another realistic post ...

want some numbers?

See? even his voters disagree on some issues, I saw the article on CNN, and even his voters won't support his announced plan...

and I found a picture of him and you on your website :D
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2008/11/40.jpg

Just because I have his image on the logo of my site doesn't mean I don't have members who either didn't support him or did support McCain so get off your kick, at least the site in my sig actually has some content. Do you have a source for this article? Citing facts 101, post a source. I get sick and tired of people who act like they are from the back woods who think they know everything and don't know how to do something as simple as cite a source. You won't state this is your opinion, you've been acting like you have "facts" when you've been pulling them out of thin air.

so ppl sickens you because don't kiss the floor like *** where Obama pass? :confused:

p.s.
HAHAHA... are u attacking my sig? :rolleyes:

I can see you've contributed to this site as much as you have this thread. Thanks for your "opinions" as there simply aren't nearly enough of them on the internet from uneducated, blow hard kids like you.

BTW, can't attack your sig, you have no content.

I hope you got a day job, this it's been going on the whole day, I babysitted, went to a Studio to edit some video, went to collect some money, sat with some friends for video editing advise, prepare some legal documents for clients, made like 20 calls... even did my laundry and you can't let it go... Ok I'm gonna support your big-mouth boy ;)

Thank you for making my point.

that furious monkey ;)

I prefer 'George'

Now I have to dedicate at least 2 hours to revise and double check documents, good night...:up:

Bookmarked as its a sure thing that things will certainly go wrong.

Why you said that!?!?! :eek:

everything about Obama is 'Magical' :p

Is that crack u r smoking.......?

It's clear u r NOT from around here........

:D
if I say something wrong the 'believers' could attack me for be a 'non-believer' ;)

People do give money away for nothing, the greatest reason is "support".

I love how either people are either one of two stereotypes. If you support Obama, then you must think he's messianic. If you don't, then he'll destroy the country.

Anyone ever stop to think that maybe Obama is just an intelligent individual with a deep seated concern for his country, even if you don't agree with him. Why must we always go to the extreme that he's either Jesus or a Socialist?

Well, I was trying to establish that since the beginning...
He's intelligent? yeah... but he's more 'poetic' than realistic...
He can resolve problems? I really hope so!, but not all and he will have disastrous blunders...
He's a good person? YES! In fact too good to hold that position...
there's a book written by Machiavelli called 'The Prince'

Well, I don't see Obama as poetic, so much as I see him as sensible, but with very positive overtones. Like when he says things like government can't solve all your problems, that it's the parent's job to turn off the TV and the radio and to teach them positive values, I see that as a very pragmatic thing to say. Then he goes a step further as to set the example with his own children.

I also look closely at the chosen slogans of the campaign. Yes "we" can, as opposed to the usual trumpets that boast what the candidate can do. His entire platform has been to involve his supporters. And it's real hard to garner a lot of support if you can't inspire. Two things he's done successfully.

The other thing I look at is his organization skills. Now this I personally admire because I'm a wannabe organizer. I love organization, but I often fall short of keeping it up. Obama's campaign has been insanely well organized and drama-free. That's notable, because keeping a large organization of people on message is a difficult thing.

I don't think there will be any disasters as a direct result of his actions. Certainly, we've already learned what a disastrous presidency looks like, and this just isn't a president with the same skill set or focus. If anything, this will be an extremely well organized presidency and any "disasters" will be from outside forces. What will matter is how me meets the coming problems. From everything I've seen it will no doubt be even handed, firm, but with an open ear to his advisers. In all the elections I've observed, I've never seen a candidate show any kind of behavior that he didn't continue show once elected into Office. I've not seen anything, and I watch these campaigns closer then most, that would suggest that Obama would just blunder through his first term like a kid on his first bicycle. He'll make mistakes, I'm sure. They all do, because they're all just imperfect humans like the rest of us. But on the important issues, while not everyone will agree with his choices, I don't think we're going to see anything like the last 8 years, which has been one disastrous blunder after another.

Very well said :)

cant believe all the praise this guy is getting and he aint actually done anything yet.
Wait till he is in power and then congratulate him when he actually does something that Helps other people.You all in to much of a rush to get rid of one president that u are willing to have anyone to replace him.
The last 8 yrs may of been hard with bush in power but who is to say they are going to get any better - you will simply say obama is doing a good job because he inherited all the faults of the bush presidency (which is true to a fact) but remember a man is judged by his actions and in obama`s case ive yet to see any action.
He can talk the talk and he told you what u wanted to hear and had supporters who where willing to back him in his race to the whitehouse,but as ive said before he has to return these favours in one way or another, as no one gives away millions of dollors for nothing and you are so naive if u believe that people gave this money away to his support group for free.

Remember we talking about america here - the land of Freedom (so long as u can afford it)

Well said :)

If you look at my post closely, you'll see I complimented Obama for what he has done: raise a beautiful family, run one of the most well organized campaigns in history and his ability to involve and inspire people. I don't see why he shouldn't be judged, or complimented, on those standards.

If folks just wanted anyone to take over for Bush, they would have voted in just anyone. But they didn't. They voted in the guy who by all previous standards, didn't have a shot.

Now I understand not to judge the guy on stuff he hasn't done yet. But it's not egregious to expect him to run his presidency with the same temperament he's already shown.

But as far as him having to return favors. He took no Lobbyist money whatsoever, and the bulk of his campaign donations was from private donors. He has to return favors alright. The favors he promised the millions of ordinary citizens who donated to him. I understand why people would be cynical about that. But even cynicism can cross the line of incredulity at some point.

It's normal...

Obama's staff picks cause critics to question his call for change

You know, this is something that confuses me. What did people think "change" meant? Because when Obama talked about change, did folks think he was talking about the people in Washington or was he talking about the manner and attitude of Washington? I for one never heard him even intimate that he was going to bring in a whole new staff that had never worked in Washington in their lives.

After all, the number one criticism, and really the only legitimate one, of Obama was his lack of experience. And he never ran on that. It was his judgment that he ran on. Wouldn't you rather he surround himself with sensible, experienced individuals that filled in any gaps he lacked, rather then put in a bunch of people who no one knows or ever heard of before?

Change never meant new people, other then Obama. It meant a new way of thinking. A new way of doing things. You likely will only be successful at that if you bring in people who are already very good at what they do, and giving them a new vision of leadership.

He has a strange way of showing his concern for the country!

You mean he Isn't a socialist........damm and all this time I thought.......

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"If you look at my post closely, you'll see I complimented Obama for what he has done: raise a beautiful family, run one of the most well organized campaigns in history and his ability to involve and inspire people. I don't see why he shouldn't be judged, or complimented, on those standards."

Hummm, so that is what makes a good president? Nice to know.

SO - what has he done besides raise taxes...?

Sheepeople voted for him because they belive this administration is the worst thing since sliced bread. How do you know? Actually you will never know whats going on at the top level of govt. There might have been a "really"good reason for the war and other items.

Most people go by what they have caught from their neighbors and friends. So who says they are right? People are sheep. At least they showed there colors in this election.

We really don't know anything about this guy. His campaign silenced all the people who wanted to bring out the gray questions. The media has lost all creditability with me since all the talked about was him. Talk about lopsided! So now they want to silence free speach with the fairness doctrin.

Whats next........Spreading the wealth?:mad:

Just a friendly reminder that the guy isn't even president yet. It is fun to chuckle at the bitter republicans who can't get over the fact that he won though. :)

The progressive tax system has been in effect for years....there is going to be no change. Stop saying things you have no idea what you're talking about :erm:

You know, "spreading the wealth" was an unfortunate turn of phrase in that Obama has used, to my knowledge, only twice. However, his tax plan has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. His plan rolls back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy (and I'm sorry, if you make more then a quarter million dollars a year, your wealthy) and gives the tax cuts to the middle class instead. I realize that was the McCain party line for the last few weeks of the campaign, but the whole notion of him being a socialist for that very reason is just plain silly.


The whole package is what makes a good president. We judged the last guy on far less then that, and look where it got us.


What taxes has Obama raised exactly? I believe I stated this already, Obama was voted in because of his judgment on all the important issues. Truthfully, that is and has always been the way we measure Presidents being that, barring a guy running for a second term, no one can claim that they have experience being President. Judgment will almost always trump experience, which is why we got Presidents like Lincoln and Kennedy.

So why is it, when people disagree with you, they're sheep? Why is it, when people have a positive view of someone, it's only because the last guy was far worse by comparison. Look, if we were only interested in replacing Bush because anyone was better then that, the country could have gone with anyone else. Instead it went for the guy who by all accounts and by all measure of history didn't stand a chance. Doesn't that tell you something, at least, about the people's measure of the man, rather then you insulting their intelligence because they don't share your opinion?


Are you really under the impression that every neighborhood in the US is a bunch of guys sitting on their front porch being cajoled into voting for the choice of the guy with the biggest personality? This is the 21st century. Most of us don't even know our neighbor's first name. We may not even know what our neighbors look like. What we go by these days is our own best judgment. Again, why malign others because they don't share your opinion?

Also, that notion that Obama's campaign silenced anyone is equally ridiculous. The reason none of these so called "grey" questions where pursued is because they where all debunked ages ago. Only the fringe groups wanted to rehash this stuff, and what credible arguments they couldn't find, they made up. (i.e Obama is an Arab, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a Space Alien, Obama was born three tenths of a second before Hawaii became a state.) What's sad is no one criticises the media for not pursuing the questionable alliances McCain has made over the years. Granted, they were no more insidious then any of Obama's so called ties, but still, there were no massive outcries to the media to dredge those up.

You all want so much from one man - its a certainty that you are going to be disapointed.

Iv been told America will crumble n go down soon in comming years as Israel is going to become the next super power and will rule the world for some years b 4 they elect their fake ....... who will be around only for a short while until the real ....... will come down and wipe out the evil ones ;)

we are all going to suffer big time until this day :) so wake up !

You getz me bro :D

Great, we have a preacher boring us to death. You were told. who by exactly? the voice in your head? ;)

Sorry for the bad english, I'm english. :up:

Amen to that!

YEA OK right.....I didn't hear him say that.......

"Stop saying things you have no idea what you're talking about :erm:[/QUOTE]"

GOOD idea!!

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Don't get me wrong, I can't stand either of them. As a matter of fact, any of them!

So if the Bush tax cuts are "rolled back" those making 45k/yr will pay an extra 3k in taxes, those making 25k/yr will pay 700. in extra taxes. Now if he cuts taxes on the middle class then we will be at the same level or more then we are at now. Hummmm, can you say play on words? PS - He raised taxes on those making over 45k a few years ago in the senate.

Wealthy is over a million/yr. I guess its all where you sit in the poop. So why should the person making more than you pay more by an unequal sliding scale? Chances are he hired you. Chances are people will loose there jobs..........

There were two people that I can think of that started out this way, one in germany and one in cuba! Time will tell, we'll see, although it might be too late by then.

Sheepeople vote because they are infactuated with the person. Reagan, Swartzeneger(sp), Hogan, Obama........ Lets face it, if McCain were younger and acted like he was alive, he would have won. I don't care if you agree or disagree, people are sheep, not all, but most. They follow, they don't leed. If you really think they voted on the issues.....ok....once again, most had no idea of the issues.

Gray questions debunked my butt. Bury the questions is more like it. Your buddy pelosi wants to cut free speech as I had mentioned. Who runs the media?

I wanted to write in "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Unfortunatly, we would have needed 51% to get rid of both!!

Time will tell..!!!

I find it funny that so many people have so many opinions of either side when all we are just conduits(some easily manipulated) for opinion based rhetoric, spun as far is it can be spun, and then some.

I did not vote for either and I'm so glad about this. Although I do lean Republican, I would have voted for Obama if I didn't see Clinton coming(again) and he wasn't so green.

I also find it funny that Republicans are often called war machines yet wasn't it a Democrat who dropped not one but TWO atomic bombs on hundreds of thousands of innocent people incinerating them where they stood, leaving just their shadows on the pavement? "The Buck Stops Here." Yeah right Harry, tell that to the millions of Japanese still suffering from the consequences of a Democrat who used the worst judgment in U.S. history to date. We think Bush is bad? Good god, search Hiroshima-such an evil abuse of power. And if I remember correctly, didn't Clinton spread his war wings while in office as well? Humm and why didn't Truman step in sooner with Hitler? Are Democrates suppoed to be the better humanitarians? Bull sheet! Not at that time in our history tjat's for darn sure.

Humm.. do I feel more safe with a Democrat in office? Ah no! Do I feel safe with Republican in the white house? Ah no! Do I feel safe with an inexperienced unknown man in the whitehouse? Ah no! Were we safe with Kennedy in the white house? ah no! Cuba Missile Crisis. Where we safe with LBJ in the whitehouse? Ah no! He thought the Russian were about to attack after Kennedy was gone and ordered our troops to full alert. What would that be in our alert system today? Code whatever?

MY long point was... It doesn't matter what party is in office. What matters is time, fate, quest of power and stupid humans. <presidents that is.

So pardon me if I don't subscribe to Camelot-ish post Obama win mentality. I can't be manipulated by the media unlike most of the world.

I hope Obama does well.

P.S. My father a staunch Southern Democrat, my mother a staunch Northern Repubican. They taught me to look beyond ideology for the greater good. We haven't done this in decades. I guess we've been to busy wonder how Britney is doing, who's Paris's next BFF or who's the next top model? :o

stop dreaming.......

There's another one I don't get. What is this "so much" that everyone with an opposing view keeps saying Obama supporters want? A President who creates jobs? A president in touch with times? A President who doesn't fabricate reasons to go to war? A President who can pronounce the word nuclear?

You know, we've actually had a few decent Presidents over the course of our history. I expect Obama to do just a little bit better then they did. Wow, what a stretch. :eek:



Well, now if you had actually read the tax plan that was on his website for the entirety of the campaign (and still is) you would see that the Bush tax cuts would either be rolled back or allowed to expire. Either way, the plan is that those making a quarter million a year would see higher taxes. The top 5% of the country. The other 95% would see a tax cut.

Now, you can disagree with that philosophy, but Obama and his surrogates stated and restated this ad nauseum for over a year. To suggest he said or has done anything different would just be a fabrication (or not paying attention).

By the way, those taxes that Obama raised? I was wondering if you would actually site the number, and better yet the reasons. The truth is he voted to raise taxes 94 times while in the senate. But you know what, reasons matter. Some of those votes were raising taxes on millionaires to fund groups like veterans programs and Head Start. Others raised taxes on corporations of the wealthy while cutting taxes on the middle class. But predominantly, he raised taxes on the affluent and cut taxes on the middle class. Pretty much directly in line with the philosophy of his campaign tax plan. Now like I said, you can disagree with that. But to suggest he's stated anything different is beyond spin, it's a fabrication.


So your comparing the guy who actively campaigned against democracy and the guy who used violence to overthrow his own government to the guy who said he believed that Americans can do anything if they put their mind to it? Honestly, you might as well compare him to Lex Luthor, they have about as much in common.


Okay, did you just suggest that everyone is sheep because they follow? So we're all supposed to lead? You lost me here.


My buddy? <Looks for missing Pelosi Christmas card>

Okay, which issue was buried? His birth certificate? His heritage (as if it mattered)? His association with William Ayres? What? All of these have been debunked over and over again.


Not to come of harsh here, but while I respect your right to be cautious, I resent the implication that mine or anyone's admiration of Obama was because we were manipulated by the media. If anything, the opposite was true.

I'm a stay-at-home dad and I would string all the major news networks playlists each day as I went about my day. I heard as much harsh criticism of Obama as I did positive feedback. And I don't lump opinion shows like Olbermann and O'Riley as part of the media, as so many do. Of course opinion shows are going to be biased. That's why their opinion shows. The regular news networks asked all the same questions over and over again and put Obama through the ringer. Most people only saw the little news snippets at the end of the day. And if they said anything remotely positive about Obama, suddenly the other side would scream bias.

Truth is, a non-partisan fact check group tallied up the number of times reporters had said something negative about Obama as it did about McCain. But that's a story that didn't get much coverage because the opposite of what you say is true: folks were already sold on the story that the media loved Obama that it didn't matter if the facts said otherwise.

I also resent the suggestion that because one admires the man that they think he's going to bring about Camelot. For goodness sake, are we as a nation so cynical that the idea that someone might do a good job running the country is so fableish means you got your head in the clouds? There are some sensible people out there, and every so often in our history, they get put into a position to make some real positive changes. It happens. You've got to temper your cautiousness just enough so you don't miss it when it does.

Man! I admired George Stephanopoulos for years! but he kissed ass from Chicago to DC all the way!