The best thing to do is pay after the work is done. That's why I normally don't ask for payment of Services until after the job is done ;)

do your deals over paypal... ask the coder to invoice you but pay only when satisfied, even if the job is not finished... paypal invoices are protecting the coder and the client, because you can ask for a dispute if things go wrong...

The point is, there shouldn't be a contract needed. This is a community, in a community, people help eachother. Then there are some douchebags like ExtremeTim, or Wannabe coders(AKA 8 year olds not getting enough allowance money)/scammers who ruin a great community. What an +++++++....

hum, a community where everybody help without need of being paid would be the solution, but when there is money, there is scams too...

Even if we arent that definition of a community, people like that should never be allowed back into vbulletin.org.

yup, this is what I do.

Those looking for work just need to do back ground checks on those who they are paying ;)

do your deals over paypal... ask the coder to invoice you but pay only when satisfied, even if the job is not finished... paypal invoices are protecting the coder and the client, because you can ask for a dispute if things go wrong...

WRONG

I paid via paypal. Seeing that Coding is a SERVICE and not a good, paypal automatically denies your claim. Unless you pay afterwards (which most coders will not accept) then you have 0 recourse without the criminal system that will cost you 20x as much as you are out.

Request them to send a copy of the files via disc. :)

Coding is a service... delivering files for your style, like the style.xml or the directory containing your images, IS a GOOD...if the description of the invoice is not indicating the delivery of files, ask your coder to indicate it clearly in an edited invoice or you don't pay for it... that is clear and secure.

the only way to be protected is to protect yourself of all the manipulations a coder can do...

Those wannabe coders might turn out to be great coders some day... Cut them some slack (I think that's how the expression goes)

This is very true...some of the most talented coders I know are young enough to be my own kids lol ;)

That may be the case, but this guy has scammed person after person here, as a search will show. He may be talented YES. But then you may employ a talented person to work for YOU and find out later he's a thief taking money from you.

Would you still employ him?

The point here is this. It's about time vB.org showed a stance over this guy and banned his account. Never mind the fact he owns a licence so they can't ban him. Just ban him and then let him complain to vBulletin. Who can always point out to him what he has been doing over here and offer him a refund to stop using vBulletin.

This kind of person is the worse type, praying on people who are foolish enough to buy into his scams. Kid or no kid, if he wants to act like the big time crook. He should be treated like one.

Very true...there ARE some brilliant young coders here, but that's not what this is about...

...gotta stay on-topic...this is about ExtremeTim being a scam artist.

A rating system would alleviate a lot of these issues, I agree. In regards to banning him, there are members here who are actively involved in sites that rip us all off including vbulletin, on a large scale and they are well known to Jelsoft and the staff here (who, you all need to remember, don't make policy rather they just volunteer their talents and time for us all) and are allowed to stay...do you really think one small fish in the ocean is going to get banned?

Not all the people at vBulletin are volunteers. Some are paid employees. Who have to power to say enough is enough, here is a refund and your account is banned both at vBulletin and vB.org now.

Technically wouldn't all these accusations be here say?
Wouldn't it be best to get a respected staff member to pose as a regular member asking for help in the Service Request forum? They wait until Tim takes the bait and see if he does in fact steal money.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/

j/k :D but that's a nice smilie isn't it, one of my members made it

actually << well known word in this thread... would it be simplier to NOT talk about Tim when he is not here to represent himself...

none of you have faced his wraith... you just discuss about some mad guys, but none of you CAN apply a solution...

the only thing the "clients" can do, is to call for coders in some OTHER place where a service is offered with security... the guys here on vb.org have an alert that say they are not responsible of any problem ... that's enough...

go to http://sitepoint.com or http://www.freelancers.net is you want a supervised service...

maybe it's useful to all if vbulletin.org opens a little space to surveys [all the times this coders releases a new script, a new survey] about the coders who advertise yours works here. only to this coders.
we will collect some information before any purchases.
only a idea
all the best
beduino

I think we all should report Tim to the FBI... :rolleyes:

vbulletin.org staff are volunteers and are not paid for their services.

Hello,
And - believe me - vbulletin.org is the most valuable site of support and mods/hacks i ever see.
I know good support/devs sites [other technologies] as xoops.org, joomla.org, ipsbeyond.com and others. And really vb.org is the best. And made by volunteers :up:
All the best
Beduino

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THERES NOTHING IN MY BASEMENT!

Lies, Jimmy Hoffa is down there and you know it!

You have no solid proof!
Even though he is..........

How can he be in yours, when he's in mine :p

Well, back on topic, More computer or personal problems Tim? But of course, thats too conveniant of an excuse. If your not going to pay the people, don't even say you are.

I use Freelancer to hire coders.
When the deal had been made, money is transferred into escrow which confirms to the coder that the cash is held by Freelancer and will be paid when the project is complete.
If the coder wants a percentage up front before making a start, that can also be accomplished with an escrow payment, so that no money has been paid to the coder until you the customer are satisfied with the work done.
Perhaps this is something that could be used here !?

I have used them as well...works very good and have worked with some very good coders too!

90% of what this guy does is just wrong, especially when he take's advantage of those that aren't that familiar with adding bit's and piece's of mod's to a new site.......The talkerbot code that he actually use's came from flashchat, with a few mod's in it...For that matter, i bet if someone took the time with the flashchat bot, they could make the bot learn just like it does with flashchat....

I have not really seen any code from this guy that seem's to actually be his, it all seem's to be little bit's and piece's put together from other's code...but that is just my opinion, and since my work schedule is so messed up lately, i really don't have the time to sit and compare his code to a few other's that i suspect he used to make mod's that people are paying for..........personally and i don't care what tim think's about this, but i would almost bet that 90% of his so called EWTchat is based off of flashchat.........

and has anyone ever noticed that he come's in here strong for a month, get's a bunch of people over to his um, website, take's em for money buying his um, code, then everyone come's back here to try to find this guy? hell, maybe it's just me but he never offer's any support on any of his so called hack's...........

All i can say is beware of this guy, i have stated it before and i am stating it again, He is not a true coder.....He is a great con man. (Refer to my post's in his so called talkerbot threads and you will see what i am talking about.) I even donated cash to this fool for this learning bot that he couldn't even make work on my site...........

He aint paying nobody back anything, and more then likely he is waiting for flashchat to update some of thier software, so he can try to make change's to his so called mods.....

To be honest, if anybody was stupid enough to use this guy and pay him any money at all. After all the bad press he's had here. They must be insane anyway.

But the problem is he can of course be using many other names that we are unaware of to still con people. Who knows he may have multiple accounts here, if he's using a dial-up connection for example. There really is no stopping people like this, if they have the brains to get around IP bans. Thats the problem and he will go on doing what he does.

The only safe way, is to do what Smacklan said. Don't use this site for paid mods for christ sake, they don't have the protection in place. Go to another site where they have the facility to hold the money as a third party to protect both sides interest.

I think this thread has out lived it's sell by date.

If you wish to give feedback on a coder then please see this thread.

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=136844