After looking at poll results I would comment old style should also be available as an option for users who are not yet addicated to new styles :D

lol it's already been mentioned that the old styles have been deleted and they are not coming back... so your requests on that particular subject are falling on deaf ears... :P

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to praise the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than ass-kissers. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, for certains parts of the new site are just entirely wrong and one in one's right mind can't honestly think otherwise. :(

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to critisize the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than taking every opportunity to protest against something. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, :)

True that, but in my not so humble opinion, only constructive feedback should be taken into the account - because polls and blank statements like "omg, the new layout is rocks" or "omg, the new layout sucks" do not really mean anything. But unfortunately, you guys are not even asking for constructive feedback. And when posts with constructive feedback appear, you guys seem to just ignore those. Can I ask why?

You can find many posts where staff is asking for constructive feedback. All constructive feedback is considered, and might make it into the vB.org whenever time and our planning permits it.

Just because every suggestion is not instantly (or ever) implemeted does not mean it's being ignored, all are read, some are done, some are noted for later, some will simply not be done.

Jelsoft do not implement every suggestion for vbulletin, but I don't see you posting over there about being ignored.

Sadly, some people just like to criticise for the sake of it, they are the posts most likely to be ignored.

I disagree. I have a lot of respect for you and your coding skills, so I realise you feel strongly on this issue, and I therefore respect your stance.

However, as an experienced forum admin but someone who is not an expert coder like yourself, to me I find the new style cosmetically very smart and pleasing. That doesn't mean it's wrong for you to dislike it, but it doesn't make me an ass-kisser.

Obviously something new isn't going to please everyone - that's impossible, but I ask that you reconsider branding those of us who like it as "ass-kissers". I have no reason to ass-kiss, I am just a user of the site, and I quite like what they've done to update it.

Good to know. :) Most of the suggestions that I am going to post in another thread are simple to implement, so hopefully you guys are going to draw from there.

That is because, in my opinion, vBulletin, ever since the 3.5 release, has everything it needs as a bulletin board engine. I would not be bothered if a new version was never released. :rolleyes:

Correct, but please note the keyword "may". It means that some of the people who posted appraisals might be ass-kissers, while some are not, and that the statement should not be taken personally except by those who feel they belong to the worse half. :)

Actually there have been a lot of the same repeat complaints about the new style, but the only reply has been, to "deal with it".

So far we have seen people complain about the navigation and search changes. Seem like reasonable areas of interest to complain about. Not like people are complaining about colors, more so EASE OF USE.

oh, I guess that wasn't constructive, whats a guy to do :(

Heres my biggest complaint, no other forum works like this, but you insist on forcing us to click the forums tab every time we want to go back to the top most level of the forum. FORUMHOME

However, is you are posting a new thread it shows the full forum bit trail. Now whats that about?

vb.org being mainly for mods, I think that modifications should have a more prominent position. I miss the easeness to locate the new mods on the right side of homepage and resent having to scroll down to find new mods. Maybe you guys could consider of making it the first item on the left side?

I also miss that green that I have been using for more than 6 years.

I agree with that. I'm not commenting on the layout right now as I'm still not 100% about how I feel about it. What I can say right now, though, is that I love the new look for the actual mod-release post, but what I would really appreciate is the "portal" reverting some of it's former elements back to their original position such as new mods for 3.6 and 3.5 being on the right top of the portal page.

i like the colors... things i miss or maybee just havent found yet...

1. the module on home page that shows new released styles/templates

2. on the new hacks released module i miss where it showed the number of installs... i liked that cuz its a good indicator if the hack is really hot.

3. being able to search mods by number of installs.

4. lastly and its probably here and i just havent found it yet is in the quick links i could find my installed hacks.

i was a big fan of smooth blue.. i do miss it right now... but i really havent given the new vb.org a chance yet. im a little lost on here.. but im sure the more i use it it will grow on me.

LOL, we haven't got much choices, do we? We will not be able to keep on crying forever.:eek:

the installed hacks link is now located in the usercp dropdown menu.

You have never been able to search by install count.

You could sort a modification forum by install count, and still can.

thats what i was referring too... i still havent found it yet... i was on top of mod forum.. i thought... ill figure it out... just gotta play some more :)

It's where it's always been, see below.

Well, thank you. As someone who likes the new style and new site layout, I'll take that as a compliment, even if apparently I'm not in my right mind.

I might point out, though, that deciding whether people are in their right minds is what I do for a living so I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

hmm maybee i was dreaming it :confused:

on the smooth blue skin in the mod forum for like 3.6 add ons for example (forumdisplay.php)

wasnt the "display options" on the top of forum and in the "sorted by" wasnt one of the options "number of installs"

so it would sort the most installed hacks first... maybee i was thinking of another site :confused:

im just happy vb.org is here to use.

I only used the green styles, so I can't say if smooth blue had that option.

Importantly from my pov, the new style only takes about 1/4 the time to load a page.
This is a huge difference for may and makes the site much more useable.

I think from a functionality and content perspective, you folks have done a bang up job and I appreciate the hard work you've done for free on the community's behalf :)

People will always complain about changes but then we get used to the new way of doing things and move on with our lives. There are going to be kinks in the new layout, that's just how things go when you deploy so many changes on such a large user base.

You guys have been asking for change for years now and you're finally getting it :). I'm sure they're working on bigger and better things for us all in private so lets cut 'em some slack and deal with the quirks until they get fixed.

You and me both. Things are so much better on this side of the modem on the new style ;).

I think they're reluctant to bring back the old styles because it's harder for them to maintain 2 skins.

Alot of people here are forum administrators themselves, which shocks me to hear any complaints about change. As an admin you should know that changes have to be made, especially if you want your site to be cutting edge.

Take some time, learn the new format, there are alot of good features with this new skin.

I find it hard to browse the navbar, it is supposed to be the first/second board where Jelsoft's Customers go and grab downloads/mods. How are they supposed to learn and get used to the navbar and so many other things that are unique (and hard to find) here at vb.org?

Im my opinion, this should have the default navbar links, header and extra options like now, the tabs and seach box where you can define what do you want to search.

Keep it simple, not every user on this board has been using vbulletin for 8 years (??)

Conservatism is never a good thing. Sure, the old design was nice, but times change, and so should design.

Is there a way to get this CSS based Blue Lagon design ? I Liked IT !

When you introduce something new, there's always ppl who like it, and not like it. I would say the ratio is usually about 5-5 or 4-6 one way or the other, unless you make something super good or super bad compare to the old one (which rarely happen)

So, says IF you switch back to the old one, there will also be alot or "other half" will raise their voice and say they don't like it, asking to use the "new" one, what would you do?

The admin, or whoever in charge have to decide, and the admins here did make the decision to make the changes THIS YEAR, so why don't ppl live with it, and make it/suggest it the way you like.

For example, someone don't like the nav bar, make contributive suggestion on how the nav bar can be improved. it's be more effective than yelling all day long :)

I personally like the new style, except that I miss some of the quick links for All my installed hacks, new hacks ...

Well, the styles have changed for the better at least. The green is awsome. The sectioning is very well thought out it seems and I have been able to navigate after only a couple quick visits and get anywhere I need to be.

Great work folks! A lot of thought obviously went into it.

As for positive change, I'll stop right here on a high note.

The quick links are there, in the usercp dropdown.

HE HE I was under the impression that people that run these kind of sites would not +++++ about changes?guess I was wrong

I hate it when my users complain about change. .

PS: you guys thinking about making some buttons to match the new skin? I don't like the default vb buttons https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/04/16.gif

yup.

I cannot seem to find much negative feedback aside from the OP. o_O

There are some things, mostly minor, that I dislike about the changes, and I can see why some would be upset as it is a big change. Regardless, however, I really would not expect this kind of message board "drama" on a board where the members are composed of board-owners who actually have some perspective.

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Is this your 4th post in a row being deleted lol?

The thread keeps getting bumped

This wasen't the same on the old style?

This style does load faster...

I am disappointed in the way that people are handling the style change. All forums undergo changes, and the member-base hates them, forum-owners ought to step back and see things from the staff's perspective.

However, the staff here should understand that they need to let the memberbase +++++ and moan a bit, otherwise the negative feelings are only going to grow and cause more problems. Censoring critisism creates far more issues than allowing it to persist.

I could never tell the difference between just the old style and new style... when the new style is more complex but it loads faster? mmm anyway

Theres already many negative threads about the new style... It should all just be merged into one..

I was using smooth-blue which, although it did load pretty fast, sometimes had rendering issues that took a few seconds to resolve. This style has a smaller file-size and less images, so I fail to see why there would be any reason for it to not load faster than the previous image-heavier styles.

I was using smooth blue, however, so I am unsure of how this stacks up against some of the other old-options.

Perhaps because beyond being insulting and abusive they add nothing to what you've already said? I saw the original post in my notification - I think it's already clear that you don't like the style but to use terms like "laziness", "not even a mediocre style", "your bog standard hideous default crap", "bullshit style", etc., and to imply that people who like it are ignorant sycophants is simply unprofessional. Some people (including me) like simplicity and find many of the styles overbearing and overloaded. That doesn't make them ignorant any more than it makes you ignorant for preferring something fancier.

Exactly. This is the point that I find most surprising, too. Although perhaps add the word "should" before "have some perspective".