thank you darling, it's much needed.

I didn't know you cared so much :)

Chris

I love you madly, Chris... you know that :p

Evidence!!!!!

Arghhhhhhh!!! *runs away*

Chris

You can't run fast enough. you're a crispy husk currently ,remember?

My sunburnt body is running as fast as the tightening and peeling skin will allow!!! :p

Chris

So quite slowly then?

Yes, and painfully :(

Chris

Wrong. And to be honest she did a pretty useless job at that seems as no-one knew she held the position. My idea is to approach things from the other side with members having someone to negotiate with staff, not the other way around.

Also can we please keep the useless conversation out of this thread. I could really care less for your crisp sunburnt body Chris ;)

Dean, my man, you need to lighten up, buddy. I remember a time when you used to have some fun here. If there's anything I can do, PM me and we can catch up, sir. ;)

That day passed when I was falsely accused of spreading propaganda for vBulletin's competitors by one of your superiors which led me to step down.

PM me and let's catch up. ;)

I guess you didn't hear about the new gizmo that pumps out code 24/7?
I thoink Kiers got one, by the way 3.6 is going.
WOW!

It's gonna be sweet! The one time I will upgrade immediately instead of holding on the an RC release forever.

[high]* Boofo commends MJM on a nice segway. ;)[/high]

This is all so ridiculous. Unions/groups/whatever. Just CHILL OUT and give the new staff a chance to BE a staff.

GAWD I'm so tired of all the bickering, name-calling, demeaning, putting down, telling staff that the new staff members aren't good enough to be in their positions, blah blah BLAH!

.org used to be a fun place to long on to......... YOU constant fault-finders are the ones ruining it for the rest of us who just want to learn about vB, enhance our vB, and have fun in the process. Let the s*** die down for a little while would you PULEASE??

Ohiosweetheart
complaining about complaining makes me sad :(
Maybe add a couple smilies to cheer things up?

Personally I think it's great to see members here with the brains and guts to think things through.
Innovative thinking requires an open mind and a willingness to accept that many ideas are dead-end and down-right dumb.
Sometimes ideas can be presented and sound ridiculous, are put to the side, and some time later they become realized.

Ya gotta remember, every single one of us is travelling down uncharted roads, we'll make mistakes, and hopefully learn from others mistakes :)

Gotta go, but first ...

I'd like to extend a hearty kudos to everyone here who blazed the trails and showed what could be done with this awesome software.

You have certainly gained mine and thousands of others much deserved respect.
Couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks
Mark

Don't know much about Unions eah? This would only work for vB employees, not product owners. And how exactly were you planning on going "on strike" - by not using their product (which you already paid for)? :confused: You would be better off starting something like a buyers group, where your members could buy the product at reduced (quanity) pricing and have extras included that vB doesn't offer their customers.

I agree. How about some cottage cheese? :banana:

I think I know a bit more about unions, than you do about reading a thread before commenting on it. Of course you wouldn't take strict action by not using your license, you'd do it by removing your work from here or other means. *sigh*

So you're going to delete every post that you've ever made from here? That sounds like a lot of work, and more of a punishment to the 'user' than to vB.org. And what are you going to do if they do meet your demands, repost all of those posts? :rolleyes: Yep, I can see vB buckling under that pressure real fast :bunny:

Don't get me wrong, I agree that more representation is needed, but until something realistic can be put down on paper, it's just a nice dream ;) A 'vB coders union' would make more sense...

I'll be the first scab - I like this place - I have no idea at all what all the bad blood is about, there are plenty of hacks and mods that are interesting and useful, I can get answers some of the time to vBulletin questions I have and no one stops me posting here.

It all seems fine to me.

thank you... but I stand by my statement ;) :cool:

A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors (I use that word reluctantly) something to think about.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The general user on this site really has no complaints, it's the people who share their work that do as has been made clear in the last few weeks. And I don't think the staff is in any position to liaison via one person to 50+ people who contribute, it should be entirely the other way around with one union trying to represent the coders to the few staff.

Why? I'm sure more members would just add more content. I know there are several mods I have created that I could have posted but other people have already posted the same or very similar mods.


Or what about - if you don't like this site send one PM with your constructive criticism and all your suggestions on how they can be resolved in a PM to an Admin and if they don't respond how you'd like set your own site up just as you want it to be?

I know I probably sound sarcastic but I am being quite serious.

Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.[/QUOTE]

One or two average coders will not sustain this site. Not for very long anyway.

I'm pretty sure that over the years this has already been attempted many times. They've been there, tried that and I don't think they want the T-shirt. Hence this thread :bunny:

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You think that the coders here want to destroy this site? If it wasn't for this site I probably would have never ended up at university and I probably never would have learned how to program. I have a strong affinity for this site and I've earned a hell of a lot of money for a young man as a result of my earlier years here. I want what's best for vBulletin.org, but as it stands there has been a lot of unrest and the fire's have been put out by promoting those who were there starting them in the first place. Now I disagree with a lot of things on this site as it stands and I think people still do too. So that is why I proposed this idea of a union, where members could gather their ideas and propose them to staff instead of having these long, dull, monotonous threads of name-calling, only for a couple of the staff to come in and try and calm things down by mocking themselves.

There are serious issues here that need to be discussed in a diplomatic manner, and I honestly feel that having some form of representation as a whole would strongly benefit the members here who want to fight for change.

Why would it be one or two or only average? Since we are talking unions here market theory would say when that increasing demand will be met with increasing supply... ;)


So that's been tried and those sites didn't work, they failed? If so then it would indicate that their ideas about how the site should be run were wrong. Godd job then that vBulletin.org didn't listen to that advice!