Because as I said before, coding skills are just one factor in any Moderations duties involved. There is a lot more to it than just one thing in any area. That is why Kerry-Anne is an excellent choice for her position. She has more drive to help and learn than most of the older Modes here, myself included. She has been invaluable to the org as well as me personally and many others that I know of.

And a good leader will always pick those that are proficient in areas that he or she might not be so good at.

Dean, you haven't seen half of my work as most of it is done on the fly and never released. I'm interested as to what type of designer you think I am, simply to satisfy my own curiosity as I generally don't be too aware of the image that I project.

Waaaaaah! I wasn't chosen! Waaah!

Sorry, but this is getting old fast. And the people whining are clearly not listening to reason, since I tried that already. So, I'm out of this thread. Have fun.

The site i currently run is only for premium modifications. However, when i did run general communities, every now and then i would have a poll where i'd choose who i think qualifies and then ask members who they'd like or ask for opinions.

Feel free to show us your real work :p I'm interested.

Well show us some work then, because as far as I'm concerned, a lot of the new additions are incompetent at their designated roles. You have certainly not proven yourself as a designer within this community.

And just to clarify, I completely disagree with the idea of the senior members nominating new staff :)

I had a nice post prepared, regarding how you have managed to suck up and boast yourself a great deal in every post you've made so far. However, i do not wish to have a public encounter. Therefore, i took it out. If you wish to direct something at me or anyone else, feel free to do so via pm.

So no, you don't run your site that way - but even if you did, I stand by my statement that the vast majority do not - vb.org is no different (nor is vb.com).

@ Dean - That is your opinion and it is appreciated and welcomed. But there is more to being Staff than "design or coding examples" or anything like that. What looks bad to you might look great to someone else, am I not right? ;)

I'm the guy that started the 'code-out' thread. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm sucking up. What a childish view. As for 'flaming', that's pretty much what all these threads have been about, no matter how people have tried to flower them up and put perfume on them.

Agreed.

The system i described that i use is basically what i'm suggesting here, i don't see how it differs? Anyways, like boofo said. We all do things differently. And vb.org is a bit different due to the fact that the staff elected isn't only for moderation purposes.

Dean, I beleive she made the avatars we are looking at on the staff.

Actually, no she didn't.

No that was Princeton

Did someone from the design team? I am going to laugh if your answer is no.

But she had invaluable input as did the rest of the Staff.

Indeed, design is subjective. But that's only when they have some level of expertise. And i'm not saying Kerry-Anne has none, but I have seen nothing to indicate she's a good design, whatsoever. And all I have to judge it on is her site which doesn't use a stock skin.

Indeed, there is more to being staff than one role, but you have clearly categorised people into a team, when they would be better off in another.

Save your laughter for another time then ;) The design team designed them.

I'm not sure why they should have to defend their choices at all, since the proof will be in the result. But, as for Kerry-Ann I can only speculate that a design team needs many skills, not just cracker-jack artists. There is css, layout, html, templates, and even some code. Kerry has written hacks and can clearly code and handle css and html/templates.

Again, a team needs to be diverse, not just a bunch of people with the same talents, or even the same level or talent.

I've done a lot of partial styles, and really don't have any need to keep a record so while I could point you in the direction of some sites, I couldn't actually tell you exactly what I did there. Often it doesn't look like much, or isn't visible to non-staff and so it doesn't always have the WOW factor that a lot of people want with their modifications. The style on my site, while starting life as a commercial style, is heavily modified to meet my requirements. That is the same philsophy that I have regardless of what site I am working on. It must work, and work exactly as planned. As long as it does that, and the code is cross-browser and XHTML valid, then I am prefectly happy.

Take a look at my site sometime, Dean, Kerry-Anne has been responsible for a lot of it so far. That will give you a better idea of what she is REALLY capable of. Just because she doesn't use a lot of things on her site, doesn't mean she is not capable of it.

As far as what people need to be on what team, like I said before, their abilities as coders or designers only plays a small part in any one decision as to the team they were picked for.

None of these threads were made for boasting hambil, sorry. And my view was not childish at all. If it was, then i can name about 5 other people who you may consider childish.

Let's leave the flaming out of this thread, please, from everybody.

hambil: That's total nonsense. Design has nothing to do with (X)HTML/CSS

Dean, be realistic now. Design covers many areas, not just one. ;)

The ability to design should be determined more by the design, rather than how the design is coded on a website. If you ask someone to design you a building or something, they will design it. However, it is not always their job to build it. Yet, they are still the designer. This isn't different for web designers. Which is why you always see designers asking for people to code their layouts or sell things un coded.

Didn't you say you were done with this thread? It's like you enjoy spamming these threads....


ANYWAY

@Paul ~ I just thought it would be ironic if the design team did not.

@Staff Period ~ I see how excited you guys are to add input to this thread to defend your current status and how excited you are to pick what flavor your avatars are, but maybe you could give some attention to the thread below. You know the one asking about updates. ;)

I think we already gave an update on that, from several staff members and including Wayne himself.

Yeah, that must be it. :rolleyes:

So what exactly does design involve? Drawing pictures? ;)

There's a reason for people appearing on this page and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with pictures. :p

Boofo, I'm sorry but I'm not going to accept this arguement in its slightest. HTML is used to build web page designs into their on-screen form. You'd say an architect is a designer, but not the builders who put together the building.

Delete all the css files on your vb site, then delete all the templates, and tell me how it looks after.

Thank you, Boofo, for stepping forward. I have never expected it, and it has surprised me in a good way.

To make it straight: Coding skills do not affect your moderation duties, at least they do not seem to. And correct, you haven't come to me too often, but let it be known that the last question you asked is the primary cause of this discussion. Based on that last question, what is the reason you, and not someone else, are the leader of the coding team? Are you there to pick others who are skilled enough to fill the position (that's what you said yourself in the next post)? That would explain it, but the current composition of the coding team doesn't make it seem to be the case. I am just curious to find out what the real reason is.

Dean C
Thank you for your post (even though you disagree with the idea).

Nominations of those who show initiative is how you can easily find out who would actually be willing to actively contribute. That's just my opinion though. To clarify, here's how I envision it:

1. A coder/designer proves capability by releasing a lot of work of high quiality and/or usefulness.
2. That coder/designer communicates (in one way or another) that he or she wants to do be on the coding / design team.
3. Existing staff either approves or disapproves the request, followed by a release of a public poll, the purpose of which is to determine whether the person will be actually elected.

Read this please :P

Also, the reason a lot of people are there is because vb.org consideres people that work with templates to be designers. HTML is actually a coding language, is it not?

Hey, why are you stealing my analogy?

Just wondering why a discussion about staff has to be in public. Especially when naming people. I wouldn't feel confortable if I was new on the staff now. On my site, discussions like these are done in private...

Take a screenshot of your website, then compare it to your existing vbulletin. Same design, just no function. Enough said.

Firstly, no names were mentioned. At least, I haven't mentioned any.

The reason for this conversation to be public is that it would be very difficult to have this particular conversation in private. If this was private, there would be no way to have input from everyone. Besides, it is not possible to have more than two people in a private conversation...

That is the building blocks, not the design *sigh*. Read my earlier post.