Yup, that would be interesting Xenon, I just thought about this (would require alot of effort I think) but would be even more interesting, adding a Board link directory, like hacks, but then people could nominate them with links like they are currently doing with the hacks..

What do you think about this?

:rockwoot: I am back from a nice sleep :D

I agree those would/should be the main parts to the judging of the contest, and that the people of vBulletin.org should make up most of the voting(2/3rds) and the final 1/3rd should be left to the contest organizers.

Well, i have no problems with setting up a contest usergroup for that, if you want it that way, but those will have to do the work then as well and organize the contests and such.

again just a suggestion, i and the rest of the staff will surely support you with things needed, but it should be a user contest itself, so you should come up with the rules and such :)

If you make a usergroup for that Xenon, and get us at least on a track to ge these set-up I would be glad to be part of this usergroup.

Some front page poll help would also help ;)

such things can be set up, once that you have decided on who should be in that group, and all terms and such.

if you want to clarify a few things or have more suggestions and need an admin, contact Danny, as he'll be responsible for such things with his Customer team :)

I just post my opinions here :)

I see, what forum would the group hold the contest in? Would they just use the Forum Commenting section, or maybe a whole new forum :shock:

I'd say that Mod of the Month Forum can be used for that contest as well.

We'll just move it out of announce ments and hold all contests in there in future

Okay, I have contacted Ntfu2 and Freestylez, both of them have some skills in Designing and I think would be a good addition to the team.

Let's make it me, Freestylez and Ntfu2 for the Board of the month.

Give us the details and I will set up the first one and make arrangements with the others. :)

as said, talk to Danny about such things, it is not my responsibility ;)

Sure, PM sent to Danny.VBT ;)

/me likes this idea

Voting is subjective so there will always be a chance of biasness occuring. Because the (current) staff is made up of Coders and Designers they'll be able to stick with the judging criteria more than the general population. Plus, we're looking for voting consistency. The general population come and go and people who voted for month A may not vote for month B. The staff, unless you're expected to make changes monthly, will be the constant and give the contest more reliability and credibility. :)

Im unsure if you mean making a whole new contest or merging with current one. My own view is that the contest currently on vbulletin.com needs to stay where it is. Firstly the winner recieves a space on the vbulletin site, a very nice prize for any board. Secondly it makes it more offical than having it on here. Finally its a reason for users to go to the offical forums, and in my eyes should be there rather than here

I agree...I wouldn't support moving/merging it to here.

The reason why we are going to make one here will be because here we can actually feel that people will get involved. Over there, it's just because old members are used to vote, usually nobody has an idea that there is one.

Here we will list you the prizes that will be won, and we will be making a new system for forum links, where you will be able to nominate boards by clicking on a link, like for the HOTM.

Just to let all of you know, we are working on implementing this soon. We might have one for June, but we can't confirm it yet.

Sit tight and look for more news about this!

I just worry with you creating a similar event it may kill the offical one, while yours will offer nothing more than an unoffical award. Winning it on vbulletin.com was offical, this wont be

It has the potential to, if it's organized well.

well, it depends on how this work out at all, but it may become official, so that the contest is holded here because more people participate, but the result is submitted to vb.com to do what they always did with the winner ;)

Will share some of my personal views on this.

- Let's first get the competition that really belongs to vb.org (HOTM/MOTM) running good again.
- Once that runs good, think about expansion.
- Keeping close to what vb.org is about, a design of the monh would be first to add. Like that we can serve both our coders & designers.
- Maybe add a different type of BOTM. Nominate & vote for boards based on how well they made changes to improve themself above standard vB.
- If doing a "normal" BOTM, i think it should stay where it is now, on vb.com. If w really want to have a similar contest, maybe merging the 2 might be a good idea: Nominate on both vb.com & vb.org., addup the nominees and create 1 list of boards that will enter the current month competition, and start a vote on that list on both sites. In the end, total the votes, and declare a global winner. Or some variation on this.

I think a variation like Style of the Month would be more appropraite for this site. A lot of people put a lot of time and effort into designing and implementing their styles and do not release them as they wish to keep them unique. Others may have commercial styles, but have also heavily modified them (mine changes every time I go into my ACP and it started out as a standard commercial one).

I think it is something that is more judgeable (if there even is such a word) as it can be rated on things such as ease of navigation, use of color, loading speed, and such like.

I fail to see the point of having this competition here as it stands. It's identicaly to vBulletin.com's.

It's not supposed to be identical as far as I'm aware. The BOTM is in its pioneering stages so I say give it time to develop.

I like these 3 suggestions. :)

I do too, but apparently the descision was made to run a parallel contest to vb.com without a vote taken here by the general population to least make it somewhat democratic. Now we have the contest being led by someone who obviously has a biased interest in seeing their site win...very poor descision on the part of the org imho...and you folks know I'm not one to complain here.

I also want to say I have nothing personal against The Chief and I think it's great he is passionate about his site...there just needs to be some assurance the contest will be run in an unbiased fashion to make it legit since it's going to be held.

Wow. I didn't realize (he) nominated his own site. That is a conflict of interest. If there was an independent judging panel, as I had suggested earlier (in this thread) to do, provided by the staff then that would have been a different story.

All I can say again is 'Wow'.

As mentionned in the BotM Guidelines: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=117841. Nominees will be chosen by two people: Me and Ntfu2. "If" one has made some misjudgements, or like you say has had a conflict of interest, the other person will discuss about this with them.

If some of you are thinking I have put all my time into this for the sake of winning the BotM you are completely wrong. It's pretty sad to see people actually thinking that...

A very good idea.

Thank you, it is already working and the nominations are open ;)

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=117842

Okay, then why bother nominating your site...just award it...same thing and you obviously aren't seeing why that is a conflict of interest...have fun with your contest.

smacklan, did you even bother reading the rules yet? I've yet to see anyone second their nominations, and then they can't "rig" the votes as it will be done with a POLL.

Yes, I have.

We, meaning The Chief and ntfu2 I assume. Too easy to allow bias in the descision if the judge has his site in the mix...please explain to me how this is not a conflict of interest and why I should just "trust" it will be run fairly.

ok... assuming you know how the poll system works, people will click on the forum they want to win... and when the time is up... it will display who has won? isn't that how it works? I'm not sure you understand how it works. I think it's okay that he is entering the contest. Do I think it is a conflict of intrests? Yes I do also. But anyone has a fair chance into getting into the contest, as long as no one seconds his nomination he won't even get on the poll.

Dan, smacklan's complaint is that it is Chief and his friend who decide which sites are placed in the poll for users to vote on.

Well the rule is being changed it looks like, the 5 sites with the most nominations are going to be in the contest.

Rules have now been changed but in no way is there a conflict of interest. :)

Okay...I will let it go. I want you to know Chief, that I'm not trying to hammer you or give you grief just for fun. I just think that to avoid the appearance of impropriety the people running the contest should agree to bow out of the running...it is what I would expect with any contest. Seconded nominations can be padded as well...not saying you would...but thats why contests remove that possibility so that those entering don't have to wonder.

We will do our best to make it fair for everybody ;)

Why do it here? What benefit is there

More people will be involved in the contest here is the main reason, the one at vB.com I've noticed isn't highly publicized and right in the view of everyone, only people that know about it are the ones who are normally in it usually.

Dont take this the wrong way but I just dont have the same trust here. I mean on vbulletin.com I have a belief that the best board will probably win (apart from the arabic instance). Here it to me anyway feels like personality wins, those forum users who are know here, those great coders, who dont get me wrong deserve recognition but its the wrong contest... Who the admin is should not matter and thats what I feel will determine the winner of this competition here, more than it did at vbulletin.com