Wow! Although I'm not totally surprised this is a bit of a shock. Didn't he do the first Karma hack?

This is not nessecarily the case, the site maywell have had no involvement in any final product trafficking at all, I really fail to see how a website can be used for someone who would want a 10 buck deal now on an international website which means the trafficking going on must have been huge (again unlikley as most people would not have the land available to grow enough), if it was down to that. What should be noted is 1000s of members there and this was soemtime ago when I visited it once to look at the old karma hack in action, (I did not even know what the websites orientation was till I saw it), but hordes of those members were posting on an open website there little mini gardens, a few plants in a warddrobe etc, its inevitable at some point that a server which is gathering information from people about there illegal activities wether for personal use or not is going to get pulled by the authorities at some point and the evidence obtained will get forwarded to the relevant enforcing agencies around the world.

The law is the law. Buying $10 worth of pot is nothing different than buying $10,000.

Lol, and a 99.9% recurring chance not to happen on a open public website when a 10$ bag is on lots of local street corners and local houses. I am not saying the law is not the law,
I am saying its just more likley to get pulled if a couple hundred thousand members are openly posting pictures and stuff of their activities as any other which is exactly what it was when I saw it a few years back, I doubt it changed much except overgrew, the agaencies will just have waited till they were in a bored moment to go an pick up the server, the longer the better for them because the more evidence on there.

Filburt,

While I agree with you in regards to the view you have with this thread it is still comments like this...
... that show you are indeed still a "kid" when viewed by others. Respect of a position is one thing but respect of an individual is something that is to be earned, it's not an entitlement, regardless of what position or titles that person may have.

Untrue. Alaska's constitution gives its residents the right to possess marijuana for personal use. They are allowed to have a small amount of marijuana in their homes as long as there is no intent to distribute.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache...la020001.shtml
(cached version linked because the newspaper has started to require registration...ugh)

While your right, your also very wrong. Marijuana is legal in very small amounts in multiple places around the United States. For example, the last vote in Denver Colorado passed a law that legalized small amounts of marijuana for possesion in the county of Denver. Does this make it legal? No. Why you might ask. Just as in Alaska, it is illegal to exchange marijuana as well as it is illegal to grow marijuana. With those two things deemed illegal, how is one suppose to obtain marijuana? The Alaskan Constitution states that it is legal for personal use, but if its illegal to grow or buy, how is one suppose to obtain the marijuana? The only legal method is through a medical facility. Therefor anyone who uses marijuana outside of the medical scope is performing an illegal act.

Secondly, we all know that federal law trumpts state law. Even if the Alaskan Constitution states that marijuana is legal, the federal judicial system still over rules making marijuana illegal throughout the entire 50 states. If you really believe that marijuana is legal in Alaska, I would encourage you to try it out sometime. Walk into the state court house with a baggie of pot. Let me know how it goes :classic:

Thats because you have to be stoned to live there...... ;)

As an Alaska resident (yes I live in Atlanta but my residency is still Fairbanks, Alaska) I can tell you that I don't have to try it out. Nobody gets busted for pot unless there is something else to go along with it in Alaska (DUI, domestic violence, etc). Also, you can grow it on your property or in your residence there as well, AS LONG AS there is no intent to distribute. As far as federal trumping state law, as far as I know, Scott Thomas is still a free man. Where's the DEA, FBI, CIA trumping the Alaska constitution?

And booooo corriewf, you don't have to be stoned to live there. I lived there for 13 years. :-P

Which further proves my theory.... :p

I do not support speech of any kind on illegal topics including this discussion of the legalities and merits of pot so if the vbulletin.org servers get siezed, I am just going to say its about damn time the law cracked down on this.

Sorry Filburt, but the opportunity just couldn't be resisted to better articulate my point :)

I haven't been able to find any legitimate news reports on this. Thus far, everything I've read has been rumors on pot-sites. Are there any links to legitimate news sites - not blogs?

Federal law does trumpt state law which means marijuana is illegal regardless of where you live. I do remember the ONE and I repeat ONE court case in Alaska where charges were dropped when a man was arrested for growing pot in his house. If the state of Alaska had wanted, they could have appealed and went to federal court. Drug enforcement is not a matter of the FBI or CIA, it is however the DEA's job. They seized over 3.2 kgs of marijuana in Alaska for the year of 2004.

This is about as creditable as it gets. Possibly just a rumor? :ermm:

<a href="http://whois.sc/65.39.170.187" target="_blank">http://whois.sc/65.39.170.187</a>

This is his host

The world extends beyond the US, I'm sure you are aware...

I can think of one place immediately where it's not illegal - The Netherlands :)

However, regardless of the legalities of smoking or growing it, talking about it showing people how to grow it or roll it, as far as I know, is not illegal :)

The only thing I can see anyone really taking issue with is the information on where to buy the seeds etc ;)

Chris

Excuse me, but I am very aware the world extends beyond America.
Sorry, but thats a common misconception. Pot is however illegal world wide. Even in the Netherlands. The coffee shop canibus store is popular in the Netherlands and not often attacked by law enforcement which gives the impression that canibus is legal, but it still remains an illegal drug.

I don't think it is outlawed world wide. I'm sure you could get away with smoking in Antarctica for example. ;)

A better way of putting it would be it's illegal in most modern places in the world and allowed for medical uses in some places.

We can speculate about this all night, but we will never know what really happened unless the owner of the site comes forward. It's obvious that he had many sites dealing with the same subject, maybe something he was doing on one of them lead to overgrow getting taken offline as well. :)

I should also point out that 'overgrow' in the vBulletin admincp is not there to give credit to that site. It's there because that is the name the author of the karma hack for vB2 used, at the time he coded it he was the technical admin at overgrow.com. I think he left the overgrow.com community about two years ago.

You do know that Overgrow, the person in the vbulletin credits, didn't own the site any longer and that he is not the one that was busted. He sold the site a couple years ago.
Just thought I'd point out that out.
You can go back to the legality discussions.

LMAO, nothing illegal going on. HAHAHA, yup and nothing illegal goes on, at all those forums the terrorist visit either.

Maybe, technically pot is illegal in most modern places. But just because something is illegal doesn't mean it carries a jail sentance or any kind or disciplinary process. I know for a fact that where I live, if I got stopped by the police, prodivded I had less than an ounce in no more than 1 piece and they had no reason to believe I intended to traffic I'd simply have it confiscated and be sent on my way without even a caution.

The world is a very busy place and law enforcement agencies have better things to do than police a crime that has no recorded associated fatalities in the history of everywhere worldwide.

And to compare smoking marijuana users with terrorists is a little off the mark.

New vBulletin Rule - If you use are software to discuss pot....your license will be revoked..
vBulletin.com might want to take the props off the frontpage for the random link.

Overgrow the user is a pretty nice guy, and genius IMO. Filaburts comments were rude and frowned upon as a moderator of vBulletin.

I don't smoke the stuff, and I have feelings against it...just think this could be any one of us should a thread go into the wrong direction of our larger sites.

If someone puts up a website that in any way, shape or form helps kids do drugs, I'm with filburt and am happy to see it go. One kid, one hundred kids, it doesn't matter.

The last time I checked free speech included the right to discuss topics that you would find on their site, whether you personally find them offensive or not. Do you drink alcohol at all? Even if you don't... Say a site that contained info about making mixed drinks was in the same situation. Would you have the same attitude then?
And I'm sorry, but your comparison to homicide is just plain ridiculous. Try comparing it to something more like a DUI and you might have some ground to stand on.

Famous quote: It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

World wide, eh? Want to put some money on that one? :D

I don't bet, but I always like new information. Care to share?

I am sure it's legal to do in some places, although you might have to drive a boat out to international waters to get away with it. ;)

I think it's odd how the laws on pot vary so much from state to state (I can understand country to country). For example the state I live in (North Carolina) decriminalized the stuff awhile back, but that does not mean you can go around smoking it in public. The only thing it did was bump the felony charges up to 1 and 1/2 ounces (it used to be 1 ounce).

To complicate matters, my state has a Tax Stamp law. Basically they expect you to pay taxes on these illegal goods...think about that and tell me it does not blow your mind. :)

To me that just sounds like kicking someone when they are down. :p

WTH! So if you get busted then you must pay taxes on some transaction that is illegal. So are the dealers including sales tax now?

If your required to pay taxes on illegal goods, and do so, wouldn't that make the goods legal?

I think a couple of peeps here should roll a joint and smoke it.
It relaxes you, I heard :)

It sucks to see someone lose something like that. All the hard work and engery put into the site that took many years just gone in seconds.

I don't personally agree with Filburts post either and to go as far as editing just overgrows name out of the vBulletin credits is really disrespectful. It seems your big on having respect, yet you don't seem to give respect in certain situations. I respect the fact that your agaist smoking pot, and in return; you should respect the fact that there are people out there who enjoy smoking pot.

It's funny because most people who smoke pot around here are very cool induvials. The smoke there pot, don't bother anyone, easy to get along with, and also have enough respect to know that people don't smoke pot and wouldn't wish things bad to happen to people who didn't smoke.

I don't think you would find it very nice if you lost WDF and someone posted a comment like: "Good, I'm glad he lost it cause he doesn't smoke pot". Think about it for a few mins. Plus smoking pot isn't illeagal worldwide like homicide is. How often do you hear the news about someone dead because they smoked pot. I would be suprised if you found any cases of some sort. (being that pot killed someone). Though, you can find tons of cases about smoking ciggerates and drinking.

You moderator status means nothing. In order to get respect, you have to give respect. Having that status means you make sure users follow the site rules, as long as I don't break them; I don't have to respect you as a person.

Filburt was not debating whether or not smoking pot was good or bad, but the fact that the site was promoting an illegal activity of exchanging marijuana.

Again, I would love for someone to give me an example of where marijuana is legal.

Amsterdam, You can walk into certain coffee shops and toke away at some hash brownies. Personaly experiance.

Again, it is not legal in the Netherlands to smoke marijuana. Secondly, how do you toke a hash brownie? Local law enforcement looks the other way at cannabis coffee shops in Amsterdam, but if you did a little bit of reading, you will find that it is a misdemeanor offence to obtain marijuana in the Netherlands.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with people where pot is or isn't legal. Technically, it's illegal to sell and consume pot, but years of tolerance have taught the Dutch to look the other way. At least that's what they print in the tourist books. In reality, use is permitted only in designated areas so Dutch officials can keep an eye on people.

My whole post before wasn't a debate whether or not pot is bad. It was the fact that people demand so much respect yet show so little of it.

From what I heard, you can plant them in your house, but only one or two, u'll get in jail if they found out you have more than their limit.

Not trying to get in an argument at all. Nothing but information exchange here :) On a lighter note, how does one toke a hash brownie? :rolleyes:

You don't, you eat them. ;)

Hense why I questioned him :cross-eyed: Would love to see someone try to shove a brownie into a bowl.

Or to just be a smartass... ;)

you can get busted down here in TN with like An oz or something and police dont do anything.. But, if its with "intent" to sell, then, maybe they'll book you.

But personally.. Alcohol and Cigarettes should be banned before Weed.. IMO

You'll be against all drinks advertising and drinks related sites as well then, oh and anyone discussing glue etc.

I don't take drugs never have but I do have the ability to realise that jsut because something is a Law doesn't make it right. It's legal to smoke and drink and they kill far more people than a joint ever did.

Still thats not the point if an illegal act was being carried out "distribution" then obviously the justise system had to take action, No smoke without fire and all that.