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02-04-2006 07:04 AM

2 and 3 need to be removed.

Gaskell 02-04-2006 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris M
Until Jelsoft stops actively updating the 2.x series (which does include bug and security updates :p), it shouldn't be "thrown out the door"...

Condensing all the threads into one forum, and disabling new threads in that forum would be a good idea - Allow replies to be made to the threads, but other than that I can't see why we would want to totally archive vB2.... Yet...

Chris

Thats got my vote :)

David_R 02-04-2006 12:39 PM

dont find 2 of any use,

Hialls 02-04-2006 02:24 PM

Hmm not too sure why people would use 2.0 so yes would say remove it

Sean James 02-04-2006 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M
That's an very selfish and narrow view. Lots of forums still run 3.0, not everyone wants to run the latest and greatest when they are happy with what they have. I agree with moving the vb2 forums to a single location. I think 3.0 should be left alone for at least another 12/18 months.

If vb.com still support vb2 & 3 then so should vb.org.

agreed

T3MEDIA 02-04-2006 07:48 PM

The way this site works is the best hacker gets the reward. That is why they keep saying click the install button. So of course programmers are going ot get the latest version to keep up. You guy forget vb.com insists users come here for help then they have to lick balls to get it (IF it wasnt being done already) So to sit and say remove 3 just shows the maturaty level. How long has 3.5 been out? Am I mistaken but isnt 3.5 still under the number 3? how long has 2 preceded 3?

Do you guys even think things out sometimes?
Oh here we go someone is now insulted and has to make a come back. Case and point its not to insult its to show you guys look its more about how many people own 2 or 3 or 3.5 if there is more 3's than 3.5 how can you say drop it... same thing for 2.

2 makes sense... its been a minute... no support there at all... even though you can still download it from vb.com...

go figure.

nasser71 02-05-2006 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zidane007nl
Yeah, just remove 2.0 section.
A lot of users still use 3.0.x.


indeed i agree

Blam Forumz 02-05-2006 01:26 PM

Definitely

Xenon 02-05-2006 02:00 PM

Hmm, i never thouht that there will be 21% saying we should remove 3.0 as well.
thats really a surprise for me, but the rest is more or less expected :)

lewisbee 02-05-2006 02:17 PM

I'd say DON'T remove vb3.0 because its still in use by many people, as is vb2.0, but i think thats past its prime, but vb3.0 isn't...

Rich 02-05-2006 02:26 PM

Hello,

The people stating that 2.0 and 3.0 should be removed are those users that have upgraded to 3.5.x. Since THEY don't need those forums, they figure "why keep them".

I agree that the 2.0 forums should be condensed. The 3.0 forums should be left alone. I run 3.5.x but many people don't upgrade their sites like some of us do. Removing 3.0 at this point would be extremely premature. The amount of users running 3.0 boards is extremely high.

Snake 02-05-2006 03:15 PM

Yes, and remove vb3.0 as well. ;)

msimplay 02-05-2006 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iguanairs
Hello,

The people stating that 2.0 and 3.0 should be removed are those users that have upgraded to 3.5.x. Sionce THEY don't need those forums, they figure "why keep them".

I agree that the 2.0 forums should be condensed. The 3.0 forums should be left alone. I run 3.5.x but many people don't upgrade their sites like some of us do. Removing 3.0 at this point would be extremely premature. The amount of users running 3.0 boards is extremely high.

I agree as long as people still need vbulletin 2.x.x and 3.0 forums they should stay since they are still both supported in terms of updates

darnoldy 02-05-2006 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon
Hey,

i went through some thread statistics tonight, and found out, that we didn't have a new release for vb2 since more than 6 months, so i think vbulletin 2 is definitelly out of date for most user on vbulletin.org.

That's why i want to start a poll, about moving it into the archive, so we would have a clearer forumhome again (this will restrict people from posting in the vb2 sections, downloading the hacks would of course still be possible by browsing the archive)

So what do you mean?

Folks-

I would suggest--like others have--that that area be condensed to 2 areas: V2 Modifications, which should allow replies but not new threads; and V2 Questions.

Having a space for Modification Requests seems futile at this point--I would be tempted to dump them, but archiving would be fine.

I would also look at the threads in the "Beta release" section--it seems doubtful that anything still in beta would ever be further developed at this point. If a modification there is functioning, it should be included with the other releases. If its too buggy to use, it should be trashed.

Guest210212002 02-06-2006 12:17 AM

Removing 3.0 is a rediculous sentiment. I own 5 licenses, 3 of which are running 3.0 due to unavailability of key hacks for 3.5.

MRGTB 02-06-2006 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris-777
Removing 3.0 is a rediculous sentiment. I own 5 licenses, 3 of which are running 3.0 due to unavailability of key hacks for 3.5.


Agree'd, I use 3.0 here also, and have no plans to upgrade to 3.5 at all. So I'd hate to see support go for vB3.0. But I guess when you have vB 3.6 in the future soon. :rolleyes: It's gonna start to get a little crowded around here with vB2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 3.6 support boards.

I think vB2 is a little old and long in the tooth, but as already stated. But as long as vBulletin have it posted for download and are releasing support patches etc. It should be leftfor the time being.

forumsoup.com 02-06-2006 02:42 AM

I agree. Remove everything but 3.5.3 (or above).

PixelFx 02-06-2006 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forumsoup.com
I agree. Remove everything but 3.5.3 (or above).

I'd just like to see vb3.5.3 hacks organized like 3.0.12 hacks are on the site, similar forums aka major minor addons.

I would vote keep vb3.5.3+ & 3.0.12+ sections.

Mark.B 02-06-2006 11:01 PM

Remove 3.0? What are people like me supposed to do?

I can't upgrade to vB 3.5 because too many hacks are not going to be converted, and since 3.5 offers virtually NO benefits over 3.0 to the END USER, I'd be asking my members to accept less features - no way! I'd rather wait for 4.0 at least I can justify loss of some hacks in return for new features.

amykhar 02-07-2006 12:37 AM

I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.

MRGTB 02-07-2006 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amykhar
I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.

Maybe a good idea would be to attach a poll to this thread asking what versions people are using as there main board etc, vB2.0, vB3.0, vB 3.5 to get a better overall idea before making a rash decision.

Although, I do see that vB2 hacks seemed totally abandoned now, and the vB3.0 hacks seem to be heading in the same direction lately.

EDIT:
Ops, forgot there is already another poll going :nervous:

Mark.B 02-07-2006 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amykhar
I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.

We continue to modify them because we don't want to say to our members "I am abandoning this community now because a new version of the software is out which we can't install".

My only caveat is that I'll only install 'new' hacks on my 3.0 board that I know have been ported to 3.5.

As regards support, by the time I come to install a hack I don't need any. If it's working ok (as will be evident from the replies to the thread) then if I have got any problems I can almost certainly sort them myself, or with advice from other members if I'm REALLY stuck, so support from the author doesn't really matter.

If you look at most hacks now, virtually every question has been asked, and in most cases answered by someone. If a problem is evident that hasn't been answered, I don't install the hack.

amykhar 02-07-2006 09:47 AM

So, archiving them wouldn't be a problem for you, Mark :) If you just want to read the threads and not get support, they're still there.

Paul M 02-07-2006 10:32 AM

Some people will still want support - some of the install counts on my 3.0 hacks are still going up occasionally as well. :)

MRGTB 02-07-2006 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M
Some people will still want support - some of the install counts on my 3.0 hacks are still going up occasionally as well. :)

Well interestly enough, I've just posted saying that the vB3.0 email notification on "admin panel access" is not working with vB 3.0.12. Which I could not have done if it had of been archived.

I think it's a little too early yet to talk about archiving the vB 3.0 section until the next version of vB comes out to replace vB 3.5. But I agree maybe it's time for vB 2.0 though to be archived now it's two versions behind.

Mark.B 02-07-2006 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amykhar
So, archiving them wouldn't be a problem for you, Mark :) If you just want to read the threads and not get support, they're still there.

Well, ideally I'd like them left open. Although the author may not support the hack any more, others can still offer advice and regularly do. So whilst I'm unlikely to worry personally as long as the threads are still visible, I daresay there's a great many who would still like to ask questions of the 'general audience'.

I think it should be made quite clear though that most 3.0 hacks are now unsupported by the author.

who is chris c 02-07-2006 07:09 PM

i say anything newer than 2.0 archive. i have 1 site that is running 3.0.x because i'm not goin to spend $30 on renewing my license for it. and another that is still 3.0 because i'm waiting on some hacks for it before i convert to 3.5. there may still be some 3.0 mods released as more forums move to 3.5 which would be of benifit to me and other 3.0 users

nitro 02-07-2006 09:35 PM

Beleive it or not Iv just installed a v2 hack on my 3.5 test install, seems to be working ok aswell with kick here and a slap there. ;)

wtrk 02-07-2006 11:00 PM

archive it.

Smiry Kin's 02-08-2006 01:43 PM

is there any problems with having it there?. if not leave it..

some people like old school...

Andrew 02-08-2006 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiry Kin's
is there any problems with having it there?. if not leave it..

some people like old school...

Old school eh? I was going to say ancient, but old school works :p

Anyways, I say go ahead and archive at least the vB2 forums, and then possibly the vB3 forums in a couple months once more end users have had time to convert to vB3.5.

dethfire 02-08-2006 03:33 PM

keep 3.0.x because I still use it on a forum that I have a massive hack that I can't upgrade to 3.5

Bro_Joey_Gowdy 02-08-2006 05:40 PM

I vote no.

Many people still use it and often still require help... perhaps restrict it to one support forum.

MRGTB 02-08-2006 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro_Joey_Gowdy
I vote no.

Many people still use it and often still require help... perhaps restrict it to one support forum.

I think lots of people are still using vB 3.0 version for a lot of different reasons. Personally I prefer it over vB 3.5 which is why I don't upgrade and even installed vB 3.0 from fresh, even though I could have used the latest version of vB 3.5 instead.

The problem is, if you archived the vB 3.0 section now. People requiring help with these hacks for vB 3.0 may decide to start cloning the vB archive section over to there own sites as open topics up for discussion to try and get help on them, without asking the authors permission to do so - seeing as help for them here would no longer be available from other members or the author himself.

Meaning the only option open to vB 3.0 users would be to open them back up on there own sites. If it was done as way to try and force people to ugrade. I don't think that would work. As some people have already stated they have busy forums that have way to much hacking done to upgrade, and there not going to scrap there busy boards just to install vB 3.5 - loosing thre hard earned members list!

Also keep in mind that many dedicated vB 3.0 series users here might also see this site as pretty useless to them then.

Xenon 02-08-2006 07:36 PM

Ok, a statement: we don't plan to remove the 3.0 forums already.
I just wanted to know, if there are users who think it would be best to remove them as well.

but the actual question is more if we should remove the vb2 forums (that's why just that is in title), and i think the majority is for removing.
but keep voting :)

Paul M 02-08-2006 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon
but the actual question is more if we should remove the vb2 forums

Erm, the question was should they be archived, which I assume means they will still be available for viewing. If you're talking about completely removing them then I change my vote.

Xenon 02-08-2006 10:32 PM

removing means archiving

like the vb1 forums, which are also removed from forumhome but still browsable in the archives, as well as some of the old template forums ^^

AFMichael 02-09-2006 12:20 AM

I say archive it. If people can still download the hacks, great! If they need support, read the hack thread!

nitro 02-09-2006 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenon
removing means archiving

like the vb1 forums, which are also removed from forumhome but still browsable in the archives, as well as some of the old template forums ^^

The vb1 forums dont seem to be jumping out at me when I look in the archive, you sure they are veiwable ?

Brad 02-09-2006 09:07 AM

The vB1 hack forums are only viewable by the staff. When Stefan says 'archive' he's talking about our private archives. :)


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