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It doesn't matter how you arrive at the final result. As long as your final result looks identical or is above all a derivative work of the original, you are violating copyright law. |
Well, it looks good to me Injektilo. Whenever you get it tweaked to meet the requirements of vb.org, I hope you release it. A site I admin loves the smooth blue style and would be happy to get even a derivative of it.
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thats what i intend to do :) |
just switch the direction of the arrows in the status icons for the threads (it still shows its inspiration but its different
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Corriewf this could worth to mention on your next vb Cast ... When is a style or some elements of a website can be considered as illegal due to copyrights :) :p
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In your case, the simple existence of this thread serves as more than ample evidence that whatever product of your work will legally be considered a derivative work. You have obviously been taking bits and pieces of the original and changing and/or remaking them. Reproduction of original copyrighted material in whole or in part is illegal unless explicitly authorized by the copyright holder (which is vBulletin.org in this case). I'm not sure about any PM messages you've exchanged, but I don't see any explicit authorization from the copyright holder in this thread. |
will contact vb.org then to ask about this....
but i didnt understand what do u mean about the pm msgs? |
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The problem in the internet world is that laws applicable here are not applicable there.... I could tell you that you are wrong as hell right now, but in your country, you could be ok... Liability/copyright is a pita... Thats why im shooting for Family and Estate. ;) |
actually laws are pretty much the same here.. but anyway :) i'll here it straight from vb cuz i've send a pm to one of the admins
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Goodluck man. I hope they give you the green. :D |
Rather than go to all this trouble and have people doubt your motives, why not make something completely original? I mean, who would want a style (even if it is a good one) that was inspirationally ripped from another to the point of looking very similar? I have no problems with inspiration if it is techniques and whatnot, but yours takes it too far imho.
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- i have many styles that i've created myself... - I do want this style (i like it) and A LOT more people that you can imagine want it too :) |
Honestly, you're trying to justify using it when in fact it's not your idea or style. Legal or not you shouldn't be using it.
So if I go out and copy VBulletin's codes exactly and name it IBulletin is it okay because I typed it? The answer is still no. So what if you re-drew everything, you still copied the design. A design that is copyrighted. Make an original style. Don't copy DP's and call it yours. Not cool |
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its clear that you missed the whole point here...This style is not my idea! Thats the fact here. I just rebuilded the whole template from scratch, gonna giv it a lil twist and use it...if its accepted from the admins |
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So what if you rebuilt it from scratch. You rebuilt it to look exactly like thiers. you COPIED it. Copied, Rebuilt, Stole, Borrowed call it what you want. |
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too bad...i am too young to go to jail :| Anyway, will stop ignoring your 'attack' and wait for one of the admins to let me know what i can do. FYI, in this whole thread i was ok with everyone, didn't criticise anyone's opinion...just read and kindly replied to everyone.
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That fact that I'm telling you that you have stolen someones design doesn't mean that I'm attacking you. If you want to take it like that I guess there's nothing I can do, I'm sure many others will have the same "opinion" as me. I guess they'll be "attacking" you too. LOL
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I've said what I felt and I'm sure you don't like it but it's true. |
Try to read...and understand.... What you said is already been said...but saying it 20 times, thats annoying.
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At the end of the day, there are thousands on thousands of styles out there that look much like each other in someway......Heck I know of a couple of style for other softwares like IPB and PHPBB that were converted to vB. No one is complaining about that..... :confused: |
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If anybody were to release the SkyBlue skin to the public in conjunction with the admins at vB.org, it'd be me. You mean well with all the time and effort you've put into your project, but at the end of the day, like infantrymen mentioned, you're seeking to obtain permission after the fact. Which, by the way, is completely illegal. Creating an existing skin from scratch is painstakingly easy. There is no creativity involved and everything becomes so much easier to do when you can simply use the eye-droplet tool to obtain an exact color scheme. Whether you created the skin from scratch or not, I simply don't care. The fact of the matter is: your end-result intentionally looks almost exactly like vBulletin.org's skin. And have you obtained permission yet? No. Therefore, you are currently in violation of US and international copyright laws. Which means, if I wanted to, I can easily mail off a templated DMCA violation letter to your host and ISP and get you shut down. Luckily for you, I wont. At the end of the day, it seems to me as if you're going to be going ahead with this either way. It sounds to me as if you are simply trying to seek official permission to justify what you plan on doing anyways. Why else would you spend all the time and effort up-front? Me, along with quite a few other members of the forums, have expressed our opinions against your stated intentions. Whether or not you go through with this is ultimately your choice--but at least have some respect for the original author. You come in here showing off this skin with barely any prior notice to either me nor the vB.org staff, and worse yet, you don't even mention vBulletin.org nor my name in the footer. That's just not nice. :) Quote:
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Im not brushed up on copyright laws, but Im pretty sure its not illegal to create something that "looks" like "something" as long as its not a trademark, logo etc..
The bulk of vbulletin styles are nothing more than color codes in the first place; and im pretty sure you cant copyright that ;) What is this style if you want to get specific.. blue with transparent clouds and some line work; this is not the first of its nature and its not unique.. ive seen many like it and actually have got an opinion from many graphics artist saying the design of this theme was copied from another site.. Now im not liberty to say whether it is or not, I dont care.. im not a graphics person but Im pretty sure it would not be against the law for this guy to create a theme based off his original work with inspiration from another work. Regardless if you or vbulletin.org give him permission or not. |
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You admit copying the style because you "couldnt think one of my own". How you copied it doesn't matter - it makes no difference that you made the images yourself - so what? If it's 100% the same, it's copyright infringement and illegal. If the style is substantially different however, then it would be okay. |
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I can assure you that this style is 100% original. If you could PM me the URL of the site which you believe this style to be copied from, I will be more than happy to clarify any details with you. US district and federal courts have ruled time and time again in cases concerning artistic expression and intellectual property that it is not the individual elements of a piece that is copyrightable, but the entirety of the work and the coming together of the pieces. When you to take your logic of "What is this style if you want to get specific.. blue with transparent clouds and some line work" to its logical conclusion, you will realize that with a break-down definition like that, not a single digital work would be able to be copyrighted. This is certainly not the case. |
Well, I'd say the answer has been given. DP has a problem with it as well as Erwin. You may be completely innocent in your intent (and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that), but a policy of asking for forgiveness rather than permission will not serve you well. If you are serious about doing design work with vB and being involved in this site, you would be well advised to say, "yep, everyone is right and I was wrong...I will delete it all and learn from it". That would be the wise approach to take at this point.
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Something unique to me.. would be like worldofwarcraft.com etc; something not like any other site layout you have seen. --------------- In any case, if he copied your layout pixel for pixel as erwin said I would consider that an infringement and breaking the law. However if as I stated earlier he created his own work inspired from what hes seen ie. your style I dont believe there would be anything anyone could do about it; not they really could anyway... ps. I do like the style however and am using it now on Vbulletin.org; am not punning your work. |
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My point is, is that what he's doing is illegal. United States courts operate on a system of common law, which is based on precedents. Anyways, back to the original topic of this thread. Quote:
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Yes, the border becomes quite grey doesnt it?
This is an art after all, lots of artists can paint the same picture in different ways.... ;) Take a look at this, might have a different header but one could argue you or he were inspired from each other.. http://www.extremepixels.com/forum/index.php?styleid=41 I wonder if Bill Gates was contacted for permission over this... https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=88373 Oh no Billy, we got another one: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=90209 What is my point you may ask? Well, is it what you emulate or how you do it that matter? http://vbskinworks.com/forum/?styleid=196 We all get inspired by things that already exist...It is how we create it that matters.... |
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I think he played nice but with answers like, " Still looks blue "....He decided to go the other route... How does the color have to do with it? Are colors copyrighted now? Quote:
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Anyways, like I've said, this issue is closed. The original question posed by the thread starter has been answered. I don't see further discussions going towards a positive resolution. |
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Look, I have nothing vested here... I am unbiased. I wouldn't install the style if you released it yourself, just doesn't float my boat. But what about the above comments I made? |
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Like DP said "Anyways, like I've said, this issue is closed. The original question posed by the thread starter has been answered. I don't further discussions going towards a positive resolution." |
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